Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. Agrajag364

      Agrajag364 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Yeah well they also said in 2018 that they were about to publish their trial data.

      August 2020... crickets chirping.
       
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    2. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      The website is up for me. That doesn't indicate that Lenire should be a "thing", though.

      As for Minnesota, hasn't it been established that there are no plans to commercialize now?

      And as for Lenire 2.0, we already had MuteButton which failed. How many strikes does Neuromod get before one comes to the conclusion they don't know what they're doing? I might be able to tolerate it versioning up as the price of progress if at least they had at least first verified that it wouldn't make people's condition worse, but it HAS and it's hard for me to let that go or reward that. This also raises questions about the regulatory process over in the EU that it was approved and there is, as of now, no move on regulators to review or reassess said approval.
       
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    3. Tanni
      Twisted

      Tanni Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ???
      Totally agree with everything in your post. I think the above is because tinnitus is a subjective condition, so they can't definitively say/prove that Lenire has made anyone's tinnitus worse, therefore they view it as a harmless device.
       
    4. KotaDomowa
      Dreaming

      KotaDomowa Member

      Location:
      Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      Februar 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      If I understood correctly, no plans for commercialization of the Minnesota device :( But I hope that maybe in the future...

      For 6 weeks I didn't use Lenire. Today, I started trying again. Previously it worked great, then it got ugly. Even though I took a short break, it still either didn't help or even made the tinnitus worse. So I stopped the treatment for the past 6 weeks.

      I don't believe it will work again.
       
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    5. friend74
      Doubtful

      friend74 Member

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      1994
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music
      Despite everything, has anybody been to Hannover as of yet?
       
    6. PauloZ
      Alienated

      PauloZ Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2015, got much worse in 09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure, both times.
      I have been to Hannover.
       
    7. Lucifer

      Lucifer Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear Infection
      Did you end up getting the Lenire device?
       
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    8. ruud1boy

      ruud1boy Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Huddersfield, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild since 2006. Severe since 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      An enthusiastic youth
      Why can you not get Neuromod to send you a new tongue tip in the United States? Customs?

      If need be, I'd be happy to receive one for you and send it on. Whether Neuromod will play ball with this remains to be seen though.
       
    9. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 16 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      trauma
      Thanks. I have had a couple other people offer to help me out. If those fall through I’ll be sure to reach out.

      Neuromod won’t/can’t legally send their medical devices to countries where it isn’t approved. I imagine that they would open themselves up to fine or the like. It’s a royal pain that I can’t just order it directly.

      Same deal with the reprogramming. I understand that if you are in the EU you can ship it to them they will reprogram and send it back to you. No luck doing that across the pond.
       
    10. PauloZ
      Alienated

      PauloZ Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2015, got much worse in 09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure, both times.
      Yes I did. See my post in the Lenire User Experiences thread.
       
    11. DaveFromChicago

      DaveFromChicago Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Headcold/Flu
      At present there is nothing in the World I fear more than a tinnitus worsening (not even contracting COVID-19), especially when you consider that such a horrendous, suicide ideation producing outcome will cost in excess of $3,000.00 and could be to whatever degree long term or permanent.

      Am I to understand that you have already used this for six months and are now starting on your seventh? Didn't Lenire stipulate that results should be observable after 12 weeks? Are we now supposed to use this for a whole year?

      Isn't this a classic demonstration of the Law of Diminishing Returns?

      Nonetheless, thanks very much for your report; it has, however, decided me against trying it all the more. I described Lenire in a cursory fashion to my ENT Doctor (who had never heard of it) and he gravely warned against any device that could possibly overstimulate the Trigeminal Nerve. If you research online, this far more agonizing than tinnitus; it is actually called "The Suicide Disease".
       
    12. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      Don't make a mistake Dave. Such a long treatment duration is laughable and can't be contributed to Lenire.

      For all we know @Sironketchup is experiencing placebo or natural improvement.

      Lenire has been a bust. It joins the likes of Desyncra. It's the sad truth.
       
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    13. Tanni
      Twisted

      Tanni Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ???
      I believe you're supposed to use it indefinitely? That's what I was told by Lenire anyway.
      That's interesting, as one user has claimed this has happened to her. Does it stimulate the Trigeminal Nerve?
       
    14. UKBloke

      UKBloke Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1991
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music / family history
      That's exactly what it's doing.
       
    15. Tanni
      Twisted

      Tanni Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ???
      Oh dear. That doesn't sound good then. I hope the user in question has recovered since stopping using the device.
       
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    16. DaveFromChicago

      DaveFromChicago Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Headcold/Flu
      Very insightful, ajc, in pointing out the similarities to Desyncra (which I was credulous enough to spend $5,269.00 on and wear for 5 hours per day for 36 weeks, yielding an outcome as insubstantial as shining a flashlight on my head would have had).

      My wife, as we say in the US, read me "The Riot Act" and said, "After the total dud that Desyncra was don't you dare think of withdrawing any more from your 401k to finance another a so-called treatment that has not been fully substantiated by a recommendation from our ENT Doctor with hundreds of proven real outcomes."
       
    17. Kam75

      Kam75 Member

      Location:
      FRANCE
      Tinnitus Since:
      26/02/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced trauma
      Are you talking about the girl who developed trigeminal neuralgia after using Lenire?

      If so, I know this person. Unfortunately she hasn't given me any news for many months.

      She was already very affected by her tinnitus, I don't know if this new disease has led her to an even deeper depression.

      It is very sad, and personally I will not test any device that stimulates the trigeminal nerve.
       
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    18. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      The original hype was that you would only have to use it for as long as those in the trials did and the positive results would stick--like it was rewiring your brain. A one-time thing.
       
    19. Fred185

      Fred185 Member

      Location:
      Pennsylvania
      Tinnitus Since:
      January 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      explosion
      A lot of shortcoming between facts and advertising.

      I got tinnitus over four years ago from an explosion in a drum I was burning trash in. Seriously affected my life. When the average person watches television, they are being brainwashed unwillingly.

      Two years ago my 43-year-old daughter told me she had breast cancer. Well going to the doctors with her, and moving in her home to help, was the least we could do. Everyone sees the amazing breakthroughs with cancer today. I was shocked when, surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation was the only course of action available , along with the advertised new drugs. These drugs could add 60 days to your life at over 10K a month. Money was never the issue, life was. She died February 22, despite taking her to the best doctors in the country. But they told her she was cancer free in November 2019 and to return to work. I asked the doctor to do a PET scan to prove she was cancer free. He said the FDA Standard of Care does not allow for another scan unless you develop symptoms. That scan then happened eventually, and the news at that point was it was stage IV and very serious.

      So, today, when I see those cancer commercials I want to vomit. We are now raising our five year old granddaughter in her home, so her father can work. Stress does make tinnitus worse, so from time to time I check this forum to see if anything real is happening to help tinnitus sufferers.

      So far, the best advice, is to mask the sound when it gets too bad. My cell phone is my best friend at night in bed. I play background sounds of running water. I can put the phone under my pillow and it stays on all night. I cannot put anything in or over my ears with sound. In a matter of minutes it overwhelms me and my tinnitus spikes.
       
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    20. Sironketchup

      Sironketchup Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SSHL / Stress
      My plan is to use Lenire for at least 1.5 years. That's about the time I had tinnitus before I started using Lenire.

      Bimodal stimulation / neuroplasticity seems something that (often) needs a lot of time.

      @Lurius, glad to hear from you man. Do you think the program change gave you some kind of "boost" or would PS1 have had the same effect?
       
    21. Lurius
      Wishful

      Lurius Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Valsalva maneuver
      What I think is happening is simply that the second setting is working better for me than the first. Not more complicated than that :)
       
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    22. StubbyJ

      StubbyJ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Noise Exposure
      Congrats! What an awesome feeling it must be.
       
    23. TealD

      TealD Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      Hello everyone. It's been a while since I last was here on Tinnitus Talk. I am now starting TMS treatments for my depression and hoping the best for my mental health.

      I'm curious to know how Lenire has been for everyone. I don’t want to look through 258 pages of text.

      I hope it has worked for all of you and this is the revolutionary treatment we all hoped for.
       
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    24. Tanni
      Twisted

      Tanni Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ???
      Yes, I remember now -- they followed up with the trial participants and the results had stuck.

      When I went to see them, they said that that was just the length of the trial -- apparently some people were needing to use it for a lot longer, and some people may need to use it indefinitely.

      Perhaps it's different for everyone, who knows.
       
    25. pieternel

      pieternel Member

      Location:
      netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      oktober 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown
      I was also in Hannover. I had a very bad experience there. I had to pay a lot of money and never received Lenire.

      They also do not respond to emails.
       
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    26. MadsWithT
      No Mood

      MadsWithT Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      See bio
      I decided to go for the downpayment plan. So I paid around 700-800 euros. With 2 more downpayments to make. When I decided to return the device, Neuromod told me that they would not give a refund.

      They would also harass me for the outstanding money. I haven't heard from them since I returned the device.

      To me, the whole Lenire arrangement is looking more and more like a money grabbing scheme. And a mistreatment.
       
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    27. MadsWithT
      No Mood

      MadsWithT Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      See bio
      It is not. This is however exactly what Neuromod is banking on. Tinnitus Talk members not willing to read through the thread and applying a great deal of confirmation bias in their choice making.
       
    28. Martin69
      Artistic

      Martin69 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      (Health) Anxiety
      Unbelievable.
       
    29. PauloZ
      Alienated

      PauloZ Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2015, got much worse in 09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure, both times.
      Well, I had a decent experience. Only complaint I have is that their ENT department is a bit chaotic. In Hannover you have to deal with the ENT department and the German Hearing Center (audiologists).

      And a lot of waiting on all the ENT exams. I also would advice to bring someone who can speak German, or that you can speak it yourself. The doctors and professor speak good English, but the ladies behind all the desks don't.

      But the correspondence up front with the audiologist Dr. Frank was really good. After I sent him an e-mail, he called me the next morning to explain everything. He always answers his phone and e-mails. He also speaks good English. All the costs were clear as well, so don't know what went wrong with your visit.

      Because we came from The Netherlands (long drive), he even worked overtime, so that I could get the Lenire system right away.
       
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    30. Michael01
      Frustrated

      Michael01 Member

      Location:
      Grafton,NSW,Australia.
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I just wish more experienced tinnitus ENT doctors were available and knew more about it here in Australia. Getting a referral to see an ENT is hard enough in my case but knowing that now who you are going to see knows what they are taking about, would be good as well.

      Going overseas to get something that may work doesn't sound like a very good option, at lest for me, as what happens if something goes wrong?
       

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