Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      @Bobb77, I think you are confusing tinnitus intensity with perception.
       
    2. Bobb77
      Cynical

      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise drama and stress
      Why?
       
    3. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      I think when most people say their tinnitus is a 9/10 or 8/10 it has more to do with the intensity or volume. I hear my tinnitus all day non-stop 24/7 but that means it’s constant, not intermittent tinnitus. I can hear it at work right now when I’m busy or preoccupied and it’s like a 4/10 but when I get home and I’m in a more quiet environment or less busy it’s a 7/10.
       
    4. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      How can they expand if Lenire truly is not helping anyone?
       
    5. Gee82

      Gee82 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Because people are so desperate for relief that they buy it anyway.
       
    6. EDDTEKK

      EDDTEKK Member

      Location:
      Belgium
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection
      Yes desperate people will invest in Lenire like I did. It didn’t help me.

      Now I heard that you can rent the device for 6 weeks. At least from the audiologists here in Germany.
       
    7. Sironketchup

      Sironketchup Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SSHL / Stress
      I still think Lenire works, but it's not an instant cure.
      I've been using it for 1.5 years non-stop.
       
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    8. Julian Hoogstra

      Julian Hoogstra Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Vancouver
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/1969
      Lenire has now been available in several clinics over the last few months and years and will soon be available in more countries. Does anyone know if any further statistics have been accumulated to validate the results of the trial that led Neuromod to launch Lenire?
       
    9. missingsilence
      Depressed

      missingsilence Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Hell on Earth
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who am I kidding, its got to be noise :/
      I'm seriously considering trying Lenire. I have a clinic nearby and if it doesn't work they offer a partial refund. From what I have seen it is not as effective as we have all hoped but it has helped some.

      Any advice?

      @Sironketchup, has the improvement been permanent or does it go away after a while? Did the sound of your tinnitus itself change or just your reaction to it?
       
    10. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      Because capitalism.
      I was not supposed to take nearly that long to have an effect. I think you're waiting for the Great Pumpkin at this point. Kind of reminds me of the Tinnitus Mix mindset. If it doesn't work--just keep using it. It can shift final judgment off indefinitely, really.
       
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    11. Bobb77
      Cynical

      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise drama and stress
      Why are they expanding?

      Because they will find reasonably wealthy people everywhere who want to try it out, like I did, and who see the device as the only chance that could seem semi-serious.

      Yes, more and more hearing care professionals in Germany are offering it, and of course they are pushing sales. I think my hearing care professional was very honest. He mentioned that one customer's tinnitus had completely disappeared, and that perhaps a few had their THI score improve a little bit. But he also honestly said that "some don't respond so well". Like me.

      I found a German YouTuber whose rather low-frequency tinnitus had decreased significantly. But he deleted his channel. There were probably too many questions and critical questions for him, whether he might be sponsored by Neuromod etc.
       
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    12. Martin69
      Artistic

      Martin69 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      (Health) Anxiety
      If I can borrow the device in my area in Germany, I will give it a try. But I won't spend money on it.

      But the problem is that my tinnitus fluctuates. It can be better some days, even weeks and then catastrophic again. So I won't even know after 6 weeks if Lenire had any effect.

      Still waiting for Susan Shore's device. But I am not that optimistic - since it takes decades to get released. :(
       
    13. Bobb77
      Cynical

      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise drama and stress
      That will not be possible I think. At the moment: You can try it out for 6 weeks, if no improvement, you can give it back and pay €900 EUR instead of €2,750 EUR when you keep it.

      I would say a fair price for it would be about €119 EUR - it is just an MP3 player, that plays random sounds with a tongue tip that gives some electrical stimulations. I think the cost of mass production would be about €49 EUR.

      They should think about that price. Many many would buy it and just give it a try, if 10% have improvement, that would be a success for thousands. No one would resell the device because I don't think that anyone would buy a used tongue tip.
       
    14. GBB

      GBB Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      NYC
      Tinnitus Since:
      2016-2019 (Mild, Cured) 8/2020 (Severe)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Virus / Microsuction / Acoustic Trauma
      On a serious note I think this illustrates a difference in two concepts I'm not sure are apparent for everybody; masking level and intensity, which are not the same. My tinnitus is audible 100% of the time but the intensity can vary tremendously. A 10 for me is like speakers taped to my ears, but I might hear a gentle tinnitus even in a very loud environment that I would not rate a 10. The concept of tinnitus for me is like an auditory overlay, but the intensity can be radically different day to day.
       
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    15. El BUZZ
      Buzzed

      El BUZZ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music consumption plus acoustic trauma.
      I have to say that I feel really concerned about people who have spent their money, hopes, energy and time in this device and have seen no improvement.

      Thankfully I don't see myself among the many that have failed in obtaining positive results from Lenire and that's due to the people who have dared to try it. Thanks!

      I hope you/we all see something solid coming soon to alleviate our struggle.
       
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    16. El BUZZ
      Buzzed

      El BUZZ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music consumption plus acoustic trauma.
      Absolutely right!

      I've read tons of BS posts here stating floaters improvement/worsening due to Lenire as well as many other causes that in no way can affect protein clusters in our retina.

      That DOESN'T happen and the sooner we understand that simple fact, the sooner we will stop people from thinking and taking for granted huge loads of senseless garbage.
       
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    17. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      Goes with the territory. Those with a more rigorous/skeptical approach to their condition are no longer engaged with Lenire, leaving the discussion to degrade like this.
       
    18. Bobb77
      Cynical

      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise drama and stress
      I returned my Lenire device back to the healthcare professional. Lenire did nothing for me. There is no more to say except that I wish it had helped.

      I would have posted it here in detail to give you some hope. I promise.

      Why is nobody reporting here reporting success with Lenire? Is it because the device is a failure, or do people leave this forum as soon as possible if they have success?
       
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    19. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      I doubt it. Those who posted success only described subtle improvements.

      I don't know how much this forum is representative of the greater population but for those who do hang around here, the jury is in that it isn't worth it, hence you're not seeing recent reports.

      I think Neuromod's main market going forward are those who are not doing their due diligence and have yet to stumble on threads like these.
       
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    20. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      How long did you use Lenire for?
       
    21. Bobb77
      Cynical

      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise drama and stress
      I used Lenire for 6.5 weeks.
       
    22. Lilah
      Blah

      Lilah Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Neuromod has a job opening for Director, Government Sales in the U.S., to anyone interested. Apply via LinkedIn.

      About the job
      Job description:

      The director, government sales oversees Neuromod USA’s sales activities to the Veterans Administration, Department of Defense and other government agencies. The main duties include identifying a winning channel-specific value proposition, developing and implementing plans to reach sales targets, developing and cultivating relationships with clients, creating sales reports and building the company’s presence within the assigned customer segment.

      Job responsibilities:
      • Develop, execute and oversee strategies and plans to achieve the segment business targets
      • Collaborate with Neuromod leadership to establish the segment-specific value proposition, as well as the overarching go to market approach
      • Own and reach/exceed annual sales targets
      • Build and maintain strong, long lasting customer relationships
      • Partner with customers to understand their business needs and objectives
      • Effectively communicate the value proposition through proposals and presentations
      • Understand category-specific landscapes and trends
      • Reporting on forces that shift tactical budgets and strategic direction of accounts. Create and maintain KPIs and sales reports.
      Requirements:
      • Ability to create one’s own playbook.
      • Proven ability to successfully manage very large, key accounts. Prior experience with US government/Veterans administration selling strongly preferred
      • Experienced with the development and administration of national contracts
      • Well-developed analytical competencies
      • Ability to build rapport at all levels within large, complex accounts
      • Bachelor’s degree in business or marketing, or advanced degree in audiology
      • Hearing health industry experience strongly preferred
      • Travel requirement is approximately 50% (overnight); some international
      Reports to:

      Chief Executive Officer, Neuromod USA.
       
    23. missingsilence
      Depressed

      missingsilence Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Hell on Earth
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who am I kidding, its got to be noise :/
      As the team at Neuromod is busy working on publishing the TENT-A2 study which will have new and more fine tuned timings (from what I understood), I have a feeling Lenire will be getting an update. The question is, will the device simply get new software or will they launch a completely revised version of Lenire (call it per se Lenire 2)?

      What are your thoughts on this? As someone considering trying Lenire, I am thinking of holding off on it until the TENT-A2 results are out.
       
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    24. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 16 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Nonnatural energy source
      Is this just personal conjecture? If not, where are you getting information about updates to Lenire or that it is related to TENT-A2?
       
    25. missingsilence
      Depressed

      missingsilence Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Hell on Earth
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who am I kidding, its got to be noise :/
      Here's a quote from the Clinical Trials page on Lenire's website:

      "Treatment Evaluation of Neuromodulation for Tinnitus Stage 2 (TENT-A2)
      Double-Blinded Randomized Trial
      2019, 191 participants

      In TENT-A2, optimised settings of Lenire were applied. Preliminary results are consistent with TENT-A1 and show a higher proportion of patients. The results are currently being peer-reviewed for publication."

      https://www.lenire.com/clinical-trials

      Note they state "optimised settings" were applied. They also say a higher proportion of patients found it helpful, hence I wonder how it will be implemented into the actual treatment. TENT-A2 results haven't been published in a journal yet. Hence the question.
       
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    26. EDDTEKK

      EDDTEKK Member

      Location:
      Belgium
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection
      I think they mean the 2nd parameter/setting. Stimulation and sound synchronized in a different way. After 6 weeks they switch the parameters to boost the effect.

      I don’t believe they have something different to that.
       
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