Lenire — User Experiences and Reviews

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Jul 20, 2019.

    1. Rigsbin

      Rigsbin Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Power tools, rave generation
      6 Week Update

      Okay, so I've now completed 6 weeks of using Lenire with 100% compliance to the treatment regime, which has not been easy at times. I did 2 treatments on the train yesterday just to keep it going. I've kept a little diary/spreadsheet detailing when I've completed treatments and also general comments. Looking back, I'd say that for me weeks 3 and 4 were the most difficult with my tinnitus being somewhat elevated and also going through a period of headaches. Obviously, no way of knowing if these were related to the treatment but at the time it was another thing that made maintaining the regime more challenging. For anyone going through this then hang in there. I expected and was warned about this possibility so I wasn't too concerned, though it does make it harder to continue.

      Since then I seem to have become more accustomed to the treatment. I get a bit of a spike after treatments, but this has settled somewhat. I've had a few other positive indicators as well. I seem to be sleeping better than before which is good. I've also had couple of nights out drinking in relatively noisy environments and in the past I may well have avoided this as the noise would get too much and I'd suffer with increased tinnitus the day after drinking. Was quite surprising not to actually feel too bad the day after. The most positive thing is the increased ability to mask tinnitus which I can only put down to a change in volume/pitch. I seem to get more situations in the day when I can only hear my tinnitus if I stop to listen for it. However and for balance, it's still noisy when I wake up and when I go to bed (although better). I've also had issues in the past whereby stress would increase the tinnitus to unbearable levels and having been through some stressful periods last week this still happens although I would say to a slightly lesser extent.

      I think it's very difficult to give an objective opinion on something we experience so subjectively and it makes sense to me that some user reports can appear wishy washy or vague having got this far. There are times when you think hey this okay but other times when you think uh this is as bad as ever. Before the treatment I would go through good and bad periods and I suppose this has not changed. Yet, in trying to be balanced I think it's fair to say that overall, I can safely say there has been some marginal improvement. I'm due back in Dublin next week for the 6 week review (which will actually be 7 weeks). I'm really hoping to be a text book case whereby the change to the treatment protocol drives further improvement. If the treatment can deliver another level of improvement then I think this would be significant on top of the experience so far. Take care all...
       
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    2. jmasterj
      No Mood

      jmasterj Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic?
      6 week update

      Today I finished my sixth week using Lenire. I have had 100% compliance with using the device twice a day and tried to make it around the same time. I am sad to report no changes for me. I would say I maybe had two days over those weeks that I felt I was better. That is probably placebo at best.

      As others have said the treatment does spike my tinnitus. Sometimes the spike will last 20 minutes after treatment others it will last the rest of the day, but will be gone when I wake up in the morning.

      I don't go back for another four weeks for an adjustment since they suggested I use their new schedule of every 10 weeks instead of six.

      Right now I would say I am a bit frustrated, but there is still a chance so I will keep moving forward. I knew this may not work going into it, but I had to give it a chance in case I was one of the lucky ones to get relief.
       
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    3. Liz Windsor

      Liz Windsor Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2012
      Reply to a Lenire user requesting a brief update from me...

      Well, I'm still using Lenire as I find it weirdly restful listening to something different from my ever-present drill. Sometimes I think it's doing something, not enough to categorically claim an improvement but somehow feel a bit better, maybe it just changes my emotional response? Who knows? Anyway, just carrying on with a positive mindset. I don't think it's a quick fix - the twelve week thing was just for the trials. I hope you get a real benefit from it going forward. I'm not sorry I decided to try it.

      Take care,
      Liz
       
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    4. hans799
      Mellow

      hans799 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Hungary
      Tinnitus Since:
      Born with it
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worsened Dec 2016 by headphones
      15-week update

      • My first 6 weeks on Lenire have been unequivocally positive, leading to lowered subjective tinnitus perception, an objective decrease of MML to 10 from 6, and a significant reduction in tinnitus reactivity to external noise.
      • My second 6 weeks (on another stimulus) haven't been great. My tinnitus has an old component which is 31 years old (like the rest of me) and a new component which is 3 years old (probably due to headphone use at that time). The second 6 weeks have spiked the new component and caused sleep difficulties.
      • For the last 3 weeks I've been back on my original program. The results are... weird. The volume of the old component of my tinnitus is again decreasing in volume, and its reactivity is again decreasing. However, the new component is still being sensitive, with frequent spikes.
      Obviously, I'm very glad that the old tinnitus is reacting well to the first Lenire stimulus.

      As for the new tinnitus, I think the second 6 weeks of treatment screwed something up with it which hasn't returned to baseline yet, but since Lenire's method of action is training the brain, its effects should always be temporary, so whatever happened to the new tinnitus will, over time, revert.

      So I'm continuing with the treatment, really hoping that the new tinnitus will get in line sooner than later, because the old tinnitus being quieter again is just awesome.
       
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    5. alanisnotadj
      Batty

      alanisnotadj Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      1992 (got much worse in 2018)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure
      Week 12 update.

      In my previous post (week 3) I mentioned that I was experiencing improvements and this trend carried on till week 6 when Neuromod changed the settings of my device.

      The following weeks were not so glorious and unfortunately I did not see any further improvements and I even thought I was experiencing dis-improvements.

      On week 10 I had a dilemma, I was about to go on holidays to Egypt for 10 days and I did not know whether to take my Lenire with me or not as things were not going so well. To start with I did not want to lose it and I thought that it might just be a waste of time as I was not experiencing any improvements. In the end I decided to take it with me but I would only use it once a day instead of twice a day like I did at the start of the treatment.

      After a couple of days in Egypt, I noticed that I was slowly going back to the state I was in during the first 6 weeks. Was it because I was in a relaxing environment on a cruise ship on the Nile? Or because I switched to one session a day? Who knows? But what is sure is that I was feeling better.

      However the last couple of days of my trip were terrible for my ears, with noisy restaurants in Alexandria, hours on the motorway and two very long flights. I came home with pretty horrible ringing and a new weird sound in my right ear. It felt like all the gains from the previous days went down the drain.

      On Monday I decided to stick to one daily session and slowly but surely I saw improvements again.

      My awful ringing was slowly disappearing and the new noise started to fade away.

      Today was incredibly quiet, I stayed at home and barely heard my tinnitus (unless I was in a quiet room).

      As I am writing this in my living-room, the tv is on and normally I would definitely hear my tinnitus over it. Well, this time the tv is winning, the tinnitus is still here but at a much lower level than two weeks ago.

      In my opinion this can only be the effect of Lenire.

      Two weeks ago I would have told you that my treatment was going backwards but the last couple of days make me hopeful that I am now making serious progress.

      I am looking forward to my next appointment with Neuromod on Tuesday!
       
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    6. KotaDomowa
      Dreaming

      KotaDomowa Member

      Location:
      Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      Februar 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      12 week update

      In the first six weeks I wasn't sure if I felt better thanks to Lenire. I didn't trust myself enough so I suspected that I was lying to myself / I just accepted the life sentence.

      After 6 weeks, however, I felt so good that I thought "Why fly there? Maybe the current settings will lead me to silence?". Of course, I went for a visit - full silence is still my big, big dream and I had some hope that the new settings will do it for me.

      When the new settings led me to a much worse condition (to the state before Lenire?), at least I finally believed in my own opinions. I don't react paradoxically. I do not lie to myself and when it is loud I am very unhappy. If I'm calm and cheerful / focused on other areas of life, however, it means it's better. So the first settings REALLY helped me! I began to assume that I am rational and I can trust my own opinion.

      A week before the visit, I stopped using setting two. Tinnitus returned to the state of the sixth week.

      I am currently continuing to use Lenire on setting number one. I even bought a spare tongue tip. You know how bad days with tinnitus are horrible, so (since I don't experience full silence) I am afraid that it will get worse BUT I really work much better. I still have hope that Lenire will give me silence (Neuromod claims that my MML went from 8 dB to 3 dB, but such a big change feels strange to me.)

      I don't look at life as in "In the end" Linkin Park - "... but in the end it doesn't even matter", and that's how I looked at it before Lenire. I am looking for a new job and I can devote myself to it. I am still studying law - even if not with the ambition as beforetTinnitus, I attach much more importance to my studies than, for example, a year ago. It even bothers me that I weigh 152 pounds but... I don't feel ready for the diet ;) - yes, paying attention to appearance is proof of health.

      I am not one who can simply divert their attention away from tinnitus (I have a great tendency to OCD), just convince myself that there are worse diseases in life, just accept the fate with the passage of time. I am a man who got panic attacks and cried at the thought that Lenire might not help him / he was so scared by such a possibility that he was unable to work.

      And this means one thing - if someone like me gets the improvement that I describe in the above paragraph, it means that - I have to admit, despite the fear mentioned above - Lenire really works for me :)
       
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    7. pinklights98
      No Mood

      pinklights98 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Noise Exposure
      Seven Week Update:

      My tinnitus has not improved at all whatsoever. I had one really good day two weeks ago and that was it. And I had a migraine that day, so I think it was related to that as migraines tend to decrease my tinnitus.

      My tinnitus fluctuates a lot, and its exhausting and annoying. One hour it will be somewhat bearable and then the next its unbearably piercing.

      I don't even know if I should even go for my adjustment in about a week, but I'm doubtful that it will help at all. It seems that if people are going to respond, they will respond at least a little within the first six weeks on the first setting.

      I really think it's pretty random on who this helps, because I thought I was a strong candidate for this device (hyperacusis, somatic elements, no hearing loss).
       
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    8. Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      12 week update:

      Just finished my final visit, MML 6 dB (was 8 dB at the first visit), THI 36 points (was 42 points at the first visit). I would say Lenire's impact on me is slight improvement but it's close to placebo.

      I feel better than prior to the treatment but I was expecting more.
       
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    9. Mike T

      Mike T Member

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Dont Know Just Appeared
      28 week update

      I started with Lenire in July 2019, and after 8 weeks I did feel that I had some improvements however these few good days were short-lived. I stuck at it using the device twice a day morning and evening for 6 months. Then I dropped to only using the device in the evening as my tinnitus became worse after using the device.

      At the moment I have decided to take a break from treatment for a few days. My tinnitus is still there all the time and is still very intrusive.

      After the first 8 weeks, my MML did drop from 38 dB to 28 dB and has remained at that since.

      I'm not giving up yet as I have nothing to lose by continuing but I don't feel hopeful that It will do anything significant in my case.
       
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    10. BigNick

      BigNick Member Podcast Patron

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      6 month update

      As I've said previously I experienced some improvement in the early stages.
      Specifically my worst spikes stopped and haven't returned, not once.

      However, there's been little change in my baseline tinnitus, which is still pretty horrible and I hear above TV, driving, busy places etc. I said earlier I though I'd had a 20-30% improvement overall, but I'm gonna have to withdraw that claim I'm afraid.

      Overall, I'm disappointed and can't recommend Lenire based on my experience. I'd wait for Dr. Shore's treatment.

      One thing that really pisses me off is that after six months of using Lenire my tinnitus is LOUDER after the session. Every bloody time! It does subside but it's very unpleasant for a few minutes afterwards.

      I'm going to stop using it now until April and will see if starting again after a break does anything.
       
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    11. ChrisBoyMonkey

      ChrisBoyMonkey Member Podcast Patron

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Hello people,

      I've been using Lenire for about 6 weeks now, 30 minutes a day, this is my initial review. I'm taking a break from it already. My high pitch ringing is so loud that Lenire doesn't even come close to masking it, not even at the not recommended max volume. Again, for those that don't know, this is because of the OTO-313 trial that made it even worse than the monster it already was before. Because of this, I find each 30 minute session is torture, plus I get a spike after the session. I haven't really seen any real benefit from it either, so I'm probably not gonna use it anymore. At least for now, maybe if I feel like trying it again later, as in putting up with the 30 minutes of screeching and spike. It only made it worse temporarily around the 3rd and 4th week. It was back to normal by the 5th, but not better either.

      A little info on me. As I was saying, the ringing is very high pitched and loud. Not sure exactly what pitch but it is over 9000 Hz. There are also some lower pitches in it, but are hard to find and not as noticeable as the high pitch ones in any environment. I also have a reel of different high pitch intermittent screeches that play in a never ending loop. It sounds kind of like a broken hearing test. It is somatic with my jaw and tongue. Gets much louder if I clench my teeth, can get one side quieter but the other louder by moving my jaw. Quietens a bit when swallowing or extending jaw in a weird way.

      My tinnitus was originally mild/moderate and I habituated to it pretty quickly. Another loud sound made it way worse, to hearing it almost everywhere level. I was starting to habituate until I tried the OTO-313 trial. It made it even worse, so now the only places I don't hear it have to be very busy and noisy bar level / unsafe loud.

      Even with this, I'm starting to get by a lot better because thankfully, I found a sound on Spotify blocks it very well, it's a track called Wind Chimes by tinnitus Institute. I use open ear headphones called AfterShokz playing this sound on repeat as a DIY masker. It has really been my way of beating this thing.

      Back to Lenire, it seems to work for some, as for how many it helps and how many it doesn't, no one really knows, but that shouldn't really be the case as they honestly should have a better idea of that by now, especially with Dr. Lim on their team.

      I say if your tinnitus isn't monstrously loud, it's worth a shot. If you don't have the money, it might be worth trying to save up for. If it is monstrously loud, it might be worth it only if you can put up with listening to it drilling into your ears for the 30 / 60 minutes you use it. If you feel you can wait until then end of 2021 when Dr. Shore is now thinking her device will be commercialized, save the money and find a way to pass the time. If I start using it again between now and then, I'll update on here and let you know how it goes. I might, I might not.

      Take care, especially your ears.
       
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    12. hans799
      Mellow

      hans799 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Hungary
      Tinnitus Since:
      Born with it
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worsened Dec 2016 by headphones
      6 (good stimulus) + 6 (bad stimulus) + 5 (good stimulus again) = 17 week update.

      Bad news. It's been 5 weeks since switching back to the first (working) stimulus from the second (spike-causing) stimulus and my tinnitus is still aggravated.

      Most of it is very quiet, so the good stimulus appears to have worked again, EXCEPT for one specific noise (which I got much later than the rest of my tinnitus). It causes no problems during the day because it's barely audible, but at night it often becomes shrill and sharp and causes sleep issues. I've checked my journal and I had trouble sleeping on 11 out of the past 35 days (31%).

      I've been in contact with Neuromod and they advised me to take a 5-day break from the treatment.

      My first 6 weeks with Lenire were really great and left me optimistic. It's a real bummer to have to pause the treatment after 11 week of toughing it out with the spike caused by the bad stimulus. :( But I've reached the end of my rope. I don't want to go any further without restful sleep especially in the face of the incoming Coronavirus epidemic.

      I am certain Lenire works... but it can work both ways and it's trial and error right now. Hopefully, after the rest I'll be able to restart the good stimulus and be able to reproduce the excellent results of the first 6 weeks.

      :(
       
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    13. Rigsbin

      Rigsbin Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Power tools, rave generation
      9 Week Update

      I had the device settings changed after 7 weeks (just due to the the way the appointments fell). Not had any real negative reaction, it spiked my tinnitus slightly following the change but this was relatively short lived. I'd say the first week of the new settings gave more reaction than previously but this was less than during the first 6 weeks of use. Also had the firmware on the device updated and haven't had any glitching with the sounds since this. For those that are concerned about the settings change I'd say that for me it was like starting again but with the spiking not as intense or as long lasting.

      On a positive note I'm experiencing more periods where my tinnitus is less troublesome and where I'm able to ignore it more easily. It does seem at this point that the new settings are starting to drive further improvement as planned, so overall I'm happy with the change and glad that this was done. Still sleeping better as well which helps. I've still maintained 100% compliance with the twice a day treatment and just do these as and when I can fit them in. I can't really say that I've experienced moments of silence as such, but I've certainly had times where I've been initially unable to hear my tinnitus but then find it through listening. I'm focusing now on trying to just forget about as much as possible which as I've said before is difficult and contradictory when you are thinking about when you can get the next treatment in. Take care all...
       
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    14. uae96
      Thinking

      uae96 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      6/14/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      I’ll keep this as short as I can.

      It’s been 6 weeks since I started my Lenire treatment.

      I remember when my email came stating the day of my appointment I said to myself how lucky I was because of the intrusiveness of my tinnitus, the appointment date came at the right time.

      I haven’t been using it like instructed for 1 hour a day, but instead I have been using it for 30 minutes and not doing the other 30 minutes on some days.

      As of now, in the beginning my experience was really bad and my hyperacusis got worse but now I can feel a difference of 50% on my hyperacusis, and at least a difference of 30% on my tinnitus. I couldn’t sleep without a fan, but now I can.

      I would say it’s a good treatment for people who live in Europe and have mild to moderate tinnitus. It can be annoying for people with hyperacusis because of the chirping sounds but my ears got used to the white noise and now I have no problem listening to the sounds Lenire produces.
       
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    15. Josh1994

      Josh1994 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown - started after a period of balance issues
      This post is in response to the above post of mine.

      I started using Lenire again, however unfortunately this only seemed to aggravate my tinnitus even more. After 4 days I decided to stop using the device.

      Since then my tinnitus has been uncontrollable with it fluctuating between horrible and ok. I’m not sure if it is down to stopping the treatment, my anxiety or a noise trauma.

      Either way it’s not great and I am slowly falling back into a pit of despair. I don’t intend on using Lenire now for a couple of months or at least until I have my anxiety and depression under control. I’m seriously considering a course of medication and therapy to try and get me out of this rut.

      This will be my last post in this thread for the foreseeable future.

      I would recommend anyone who has seen even a small improvement in their tinnitus from using Lenire to stick to the treatment routine past the 12 weeks mark and beyond to ensure they sustain any improvement.

      Good luck and best wishes to all.

      Josh
       
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    16. MadsWithT
      No Mood

      MadsWithT Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      See bio
      Started using Lenire about 3 weeks ago.

      I had to quit the device after just 9 days. I am basically left with a whole new tinnitus tone in my left ear - a pulsating hiss. Same in my right on top of the t already present. Looks like the newly induced tinnitus is here to stay. I am not expecting it to subside.

      The Lenire treatment sputters off a cascade of electricity through the tongue accompanied by a minor scale, white noise and some other sound component. It is a real tangible sensation. However, it is quite clear to me now that neuromodulation affects the nervous system, but its application needs a whole different level of sophistication.

      It is hard to believe that this particular treatment is tailored to each patient, I found the appointments quite rushed and very little data was collected, just MML, THI and audiogram.

      My conclusion is that neuromodulation definitely can be a treatment but there is great deal of different parameters and variables that have to be measured, adjusted and applied individually.

      As a treatment for tinnitus, Lenire is severely wanting.
       
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    17. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 16 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      trauma
      So I'm midway through week 8. Clearly I won't be going back to Ireland anytime soon for a program change. As a reminder of my case I had a sudden unexplained, though likely a viral attack, hearing loss and severe tinnitus. I literally went to sleep at 11 pm normal and woke up at 2 am with my life changed.

      Above 4 kHz my initial hearing loss was up to 55 dB as a notch at 6 kHz, with 40-45 dB on either side. Below 4 kHz normal range hearing. My hearing has recovered considerably about 8 months after initial onset. I no longer have a notch and hearing loss now runs 30-40 dB above 4 kHz. Crickets, crackles, fuzz, hiss static.

      My tinnitus was loud enough that it was functionally 24/7 unmaskable and by month 9 my range was moderate tinnitus on good days to severe tinnitus ~30% of the time on bad days. Again both on good and bad days it was generally the loudest thing in my environment. I hadn't gotten any better, though I had gotten better at living with it. When I went into Lenire they measured by MML at 54 dB which was on one of my best all time days.

      So I've been religious about doing the treatment. I switched a couple weeks ago to just doing an hour straight instead of 30 minutes in morning and night.

      I still have tinnitus. It is significantly less bothersome than it was. My range is now from the high end of mild, meaning it can be nearly or entirely masked in a noisy room, to moderate on a bad day, meaning it is loud enough that it can't be drowned out by anything and has some annoying components. I tend to have about 1/3 of my days on the mildish side, a 1/3 on the moderate and 1/3 in between. I still can have the occasional severe evening, but it is really quite rare. In general I have less crickets and crackles and more fuzz. It is also in general quieter, for example maybe for my first 9 months maybe two times I couldn't hear it in the shower now probably a 30% or more of the time I can't hear it in the shower.

      So my review so far is that I am doing better, not perfect, not enough, but enough that it was worth it. Can I swear that this isn't improvement or habituation that was going to happen anyway? Nope But I hadn't gotten one bit better symptomatically until I started the treatment, and now my symptoms have modestly improved.

      In terms of new sounds that some users report. Yeah maybe I had some, but I had such a cacophony of horrible sounds to begin with getting another one never bothered me. That being said any new sounds were very short lived.

      I'm going to continue to use the device. I might take a week break at 12 weeks, but then I'll keep going until my mouth piece dies.

      Someone please send Susan Shore some Purell.
       
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    18. jmasterj
      No Mood

      jmasterj Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic?
      Week 10 Update

      I am on their newly suggested appointment schedule of going every 10 weeks. I was supposed to go to Ireland Monday of this week, but obviously that isn't happening. I have had zero change in my tinnitus. I have been compliant with doing treatment two times a day. I try to do it at the same time daily, but that can be tough. I have missed one day over the 10 weeks because I had a horrible head cold. I briefly had some email conversations with Neuromod and they suggest I keep using the first timings until I can get back to Ireland.

      It would be nice if they could figure out a way to do remote timing changes. It would also be nice if they would do a better job of communicating what is going on. I have to imagine they have a lot of clients that currently can't travel and there really hasn't been any communication unless I have initiated it.

      I'm still trying to remain optimistic and will continue my treatment. Hopefully, over time I can get some relief.
       
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    19. hans799
      Mellow

      hans799 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Hungary
      Tinnitus Since:
      Born with it
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worsened Dec 2016 by headphones
      6 (good stimulus) + 6 (bad stimulus) + 5 (good stimulus again) + 4 (off Lenire) = 21 week update.

      I've been off the treatment for 4 weeks now. The spike I got during the bad stimulus (which, unfortunately, remained even on the good stimulus) went away 2 weeks after stopping. My tinnitus has been roughly at the pre-Lenire baseline for 2 weeks now.

      Funnily, the old baseline seems pretty loud now.

      My 1990 noises (with which I've lived for 30 years) were beautifully suppressed by Lenire and 4+ months have passed since I heard them at their original volume. Yesterday we were watching a movie and I could clearly hear the tinnitus screaming over it. The last time this happened was back in November. It's like watching a child grow: if you see her every day you don't really notice (so I didn't really notice the gradual reduction in volume as it happened), but if you don't see them for half a year, it's dramatic (I notice it really well now that the reduction went away).

      My 2016 noises (to which I'm kinda used by now but still cause anxiety) have been behaving themselves fairly well. These were the ones that Lenire spiked, which in turn caused sleep issues on roughly 1/3 of all nights. Over the past 2 weeks after the spike has ceased I only had 1 tinnitus-caused bad night.

      I'll wait another 2 weeks. That'll mark 6 weeks since I stopped treatment, and 4 weeks since the spike went down. That should be a good, long washout period. Then, I'll restart treatment with the good timing. In another 6 weeks (so by the end of May) I'll know whether the good timing worked again.
       
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    20. pinklights98
      No Mood

      pinklights98 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Noise Exposure
      15 Week Update:

      I’ve lost track as to how long I’ve been using Lenire exactly. I’ve been on the same stimulus setting the entire time. I have nothing positive to report. The treatment was a waste of time and money and did absolutely nothing for my tinnitus.

      I don’t know who this works for, and it doesn’t seem like Neuromod knows either. This “should’ve” worked on me, as I was an “ideal” candidate(no hearing loss, mild hyperacusis, somatic elements). If you’re in the US I would highly recommend against this product as you will not get the same service as someone in Europe. I am really frustrated with the lack of communication during COVID-19 as well. Any communication between Neuromod and I has been initiated by me. Their blatant refusal to even attempt remote updates is equally as frustrating.

      I had very high hopes for this treatment, but it just didn’t work for me.
       
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    21. ruud1boy

      ruud1boy Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Huddersfield, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild since 2006. Severe since 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      An enthusiastic youth
      I started in early August and I've been reasonably compliant in terms of using it twice a day, but I can't say it's done anything for my tinnitus.

      I am coping with it a lot better than when I started the treatment, but I think that's just down to the habituation process - my tinnitus went mental in late 2016.

      Still, nothing ventured, nothing gained right?
       
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    22. psychiatrist

      psychiatrist Member

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Aucustic trauma/loud high frequency noice.
      I am moving towards a total success with Lenire!?

      Hi all! My first post. I have followed Tinnitus Talk for almost three years, since an acoustic trauma in a night club.

      Brief history: the first year I had very bad tinnitus, 9/10 (felt it as severe pain), most days were not compatible with living a life. Already from the beginning the tinnitus varied daily from 0/10 to 9/10, with most days being very very bad. After a year it got better; the worst days dropped to 6/10. Sleep (when I again managed to sleep) could adjust my tinnitus, even a power nap of 15 minutes could change it from a level 0 or 1 or 2 to a 9.

      I wrote down some tinnitus levels from the past as well as the first week with Lenire, and the last month (week 7-10) with Lenire so they can be compared.

      Description of levels 1-10.
      10: severe pain as in burning.
      0: I can sometimes hear it if I look for it, are not at all troubled, don't even think about it.
      3: I hear it over television, can concentrate on conversations, comes back to mind when conversation ens, is maskable.


      A couple random weeks from the past:

      2019-05-27—2019-06-03
      Day 1: 0.
      Day 2: 0.
      Day 3: 6.
      Day 4: 3.
      Day 5: 3.
      Day6: 0.
      Day 7: 6.

      Mean tinnitus level: 2,57.

      2019-08-05—2019-08-11
      Day 1: 7.
      Day 2: 4.
      Day 3: 0.
      Day 4: 0.
      Day 5: 4.
      Day 6: 3.
      Day 7: 3.

      Mean tinnitus level: 3,0.

      I started to use Lenire on 2020-02-03. The first week it got a little worse but manageable:
      Day 1: 0.
      Day 2: 0.
      Day 3: 7.
      Day 4: 5.
      Day 5: 4.
      Day 6: 3.
      Day 7: 3.

      Mean tinnitus level during first week with Lenire: 3,14.

      Week (approximately) 7-10 with Lenire, 2020-03-18—2020-04-18:
      Day 1 (2020-031-8): 0.
      Day 2: 0.
      Day 3: 0.
      Day 4: 0.
      Day 5: 5.
      Day 6: 4.
      Day 7: 0.
      Day 8: 0.
      Day 9: 0.
      Day 10: 0.
      Day 11: 0.
      Day 12: 0.
      Day 13: 0.
      Day 14: 3.
      Day 15: 2.
      Day 16: 0.
      Day 17: 0.
      Day 18: 0.
      Day 19: 0.
      Day 20: 0.
      Day 21: 1.
      Day 22: 1.
      Day 23: 0.
      Day 24: 0.
      Day 25: 0.
      Day 26: 0.
      Day 27: 0.
      Day 28: 0.
      Day 29: 1.
      Day 30: 3.
      Day 31: 0.
      Day 32: 0.
      Day 33 (2020-04-18): 0.

      Mean tinnitus level: 0,66.

      Tinnitus mean levels have dropped from approximately 3,0 to 0,6. But most importantly to me I don't have the bad days any longer, so the problem seems to be solved. Now, the last month I have lived as before the acoustic trauma.

      I use the first setting. Due to COVID-19 I didn't want to fly and I did not go for the second setting. I have continued to use Lenire. During the last week mostly 30 minutes per day, but otherwise I have used it 30 minutes x 2. I will not go for the second setting.

      Best regards
       
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    23. Lurius
      Wishful

      Lurius Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Valsalva maneuver
      Ok, so here's my attempt at a review. I've been using Lenire for 12 weeks now (technically in 2 days). I plan to keep using it for another 4 weeks, unless Neuromod recommends me to continue even further. When I was in their office for my first appointment, they recommended that I use Lenire for 6-12 months, so they will probably tell me to keep using it.

      I first noticed some kind of change around week 2 or 3. The tinnitus became a little milder and the mental anguish lessened. It's a little hazy exactly when that change came about, but I was very happy about the change and thought it was going to be the first step towards my full recovery. Unfortunately, after that I didn't see any change at all until week 9. Around week 9, I started to notice that I could go for lengths of time without being bothered by the tinnitus much at all. But I feel like I have to provide some context here. You have to understand what my life is like.

      I'm not employed, in fact, I am on disability pension. I rent a place and I don't go to the gym or do anything with my life. I just sit in front of the computer all the time. I watch Netflix and play video games. Doing this over and over for all eternity is extremely tiresome on my mind and it makes me slightly suicidal. I can listen to music and enjoy it, and it drowns out the tinnitus more or less. But generally I feel like my life is on repeat, it's just a cycle that I can't escape.
      I have way too much time on my hands, a sea of time really, which I don't think is even remotely healthy. This gives me way too much free time to think about the tinnitus.

      Now that we are in week 12, the mental anguish is even less than it was in week 2/3 and I'm able to do stuff without feeling annoyed by the tinnitus most of the time. However, I still can't take a nap. Taking a nap requires total silence for me and I can only rest my head on the pillow without falling asleep. I'm on some drugs which I take before bed, I should probably have quit them a long time ago but I kept taking them for the placebo.

      I don't consider myself cured because the tinnitus is still there. I have good days and less good days. It's been a while since I had a really bad day. Since I got tinnitus from valsalva maneuver, I'm only waiting for my body to heal whatever I broke when I blew too hard. But I've definitely seen some improvements with Lenire and I still believe that the tinnitus can completely vanish if I continue to use it... we'll see how I feel about this in 4 weeks.

      There's still one thing that I'm having enormous difficulties with though, and that's having "clear thoughts". This is extremely important to me, because I wanted to become a successful writer like Stephen King or James Patterson. I have a Bachelor's degree in creative writing and I've been a knight of the keyboard since I was 7. After I got tinnitus, that was taken from me, which is probably the greatest loss I have suffered in my life. Inspiration doesn't come to me like it used to, I don't just get ideas for free anymore. I can't seem to organize my thoughts, the brain feels like a brick of stone at times and getting into "flow" is nearly impossible. I don't know if I'll ever write again, which is making me quite depressed. I don't want to spend the rest of my life wasting away like this, but right now it seems like the only option for me. If I could just have silence again, I'll write as much as possible every day again. I used to write a lot of poetry before, maybe I'll try that first instead of writing longer texts.

      I might make another review in 4 weeks time, or maybe 8, depends on what Neuromod will say. But the conclusion is: Less mental anguish, tinnitus lessened by about 40%, life is liveable but not enjoyable. Hope that helps.

      - Sebastian
       
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    24. EDDTEKK

      EDDTEKK Member

      Location:
      Belgium
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection
      After 3 months of using Lenire, I have to say that it didn’t help m a bit unfortunately.
      I stayed with the first settings all the time, though.

      My tinnitus sounds and loudness are absolutely the same. I don’t need my reaction to tinnitus to change bla bla, I need a clear volume decrease. I need to probably accept that I will die with this shit and it will be the last thing I will hear when it’s getting to the end of life.

      I don’t believe that Lenire will impact the tinnitus world as we expected.

      Personally I believe a lot of mild sufferers will experience the placebo effect.
       
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    25. JackJ

      JackJ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      Hello,

      I'm probably a rare reviewer in that I took part in one of the clinical trials of Lenire in 2016 and have since gone onto purchase the treatment in late 2019.

      It has significantly improved my tinnitus both times.

      Before beginning the trial my tinnitus wasn't as bad as it was before purchasing the treatment. In the three years after the trial, I was exposed to a couple of innocent noise events. One was being on a speedboat, near the back, and the engines were very noisy. The other was simply watching a street parade that had a lot of drums and brass instruments. Both times I wore earplugs but perhaps didn't put them in early enough or they just didn't provide enough protection. Some ototoxic antibiotic ear drops (Cipro – very dangerous for tinnitus) may have contributed as well.

      Before the trial my tinnitus was loud enough to prevent me from falling to sleep. I used to use headphones playing masking noises to help. Not as severe as some people's stories I've read on here but enough to be heard constantly throughout the day and difficult to be distracted from or tune out from.

      When I started the trial in 2016 I very quickly experienced a pronounced step change in the volume of my tinnitus. When completing a treatment session my tinnitus went berserk, rapidly increasing and decreasing in volume before losing all hearing for a couple of seconds. When the volume of my hearing came back up to normal level the tinnitus was decreased significantly and stayed that way. It was a very strange sensation. Almost like my hearing system rebooted itself. This happened very early in the trial and no further improvements were made after but I felt that I had achieved the benefit available to me and frankly was delighted at that.

      When I attended the Neuromod clinic in 2019 my tinnitus had worsened to 28 dB. At the 6 week assessment it had calmed to 22 dB and at the 12 week assessment it had reduced further to 14 dB. The changes here differed to the trial in that they occurred over the full span of the course. Along with the overall reduction in the loudness of my tinnitus it is also much less reactive. Before, even moderately loud noises would cause my tinnitus to fluctuate loudly as it seemed to chase the sound. Exercising as well would cause loud fluctuations. Now it is much more stable and predictable.

      Since I finished the treatment in December 2019 there has been no negative changes in my tinnitus and I have been enjoying a much better quality of life. I know for some people the treatment hasn’t worked and can imagine the frustration they must feel. But I would think Neuromod are devoting resources to understand why some people respond and some don’t and if they can unlock that then they may be able to tailor the treatment to be effective across a broader range of sufferers. From my end I know I can consider myself lucky to have responded very well twice to the treatment and I’m genuinely very grateful to Neuromod for their help.

      Any questions or comments please let me know, happy to help.
       
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    26. Krolo

      Krolo Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999 , Worse in September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Volume
      An update after almost 6 months of Lenire.

      First of all I would like to say that it is truly hard to gauge how I would have felt not using Lenire at this point in time.
      Positives are that I do feel that my mind feels clearer and most of all my hyperacusis is lower. Both of these things can be explained by other sources than the Lenire.

      After I got back to the 1st setting and used it for a few weeks I decided to take a break from it and see how it felt. That break felt calmer than I could remember it was before I used Lenire. So one could say Lenire was a success right?

      Well after starting again at about the same time as @hans799 I have come to the following conclusion and a regime that works for me. That doesn't mean it works for others but it is my way of coping with things. To use it when I get fed up with hearing the same sounds all the time.

      Even from the start with Lenire I got some new sounds with it. I had crickets in my left ear even before starting Lenire but for the last 4 months the crickets basically came from the device itself. I have confirmed this by abstaining from Lenire and then starting again and the pattern is clear. When I use Lenire in consecutive days this Cricket tinnitus becomes a more prevalent and annoying sound then the rest.

      I draw two conclusions from this.

      1. Neuromodulation of tinnitus is the equivalent of an medieval surgeon. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. The understanding of the mechanism in the brain in regards to Tinnitus is not even close to have a one stop shop which just augments the gain on different frequencies and gives every patient more or less the same stimulus. I find it baffling that the PS4 setting that they use as the second setting got any positives at all. Neuromod's very basic explanations in regards to any adverse effects and what they can do about it just shows that they know almost as little as we do.

      2. Lenire does serve a purpose for me but it is a purpose of change more than a purpose of Cure. I have found that on the days when I feel that I have grown fed up with the T and it is way to intrusive, using Lenire for 30 or 2x30 minutes for one day gives me some respite. This mainly in two ways. One is the change of the tinnitus itself and the other is this weird feeling of more calm inside my head. Therefore I will be using Lenire on a need only basis.

      There might even be another option of going less than 30 minutes since it all basically repeats but I think Lenire is using a sledgehammer on a Greek antique sculpture that is our Ears and Brain. We need a chisel and for some Lenire might just be that but for me it is not.

      Also I would like to address the monitoring part that @hans799 mentioned in the other Lenire thread here on Tinnitus Talk.
      This is probably a huge issue. To not monitor your tinnitus while on this treatment is quite impossible. This brings the psychological aspect into play which makes any type of progress or degradation of the tinnitus hard to quantify.

      Biggest differences from the start of Lenire and now, that can be attributed to habituation or Lenire are the following:
      Almost no sleeping pills (used to use small dose of Oxazepam once a week and almost daily melatonin)
      Clearer mind
      More at peace

      Lifestyle changes:
      Meeting people and socializing (using 9dB or 25dB filters for my personal moulded earplugs when needed)
      Exposing myself to sounds daily seems to be good. The less input the worse tinnitus
      Working out and doing more sports
      Learning to Play the Piano
      Drinking alcohol again
      Meditation


      Would I tell you that Lenire is worth your time and money?
      It surely does something. It probably does something too much and is not individually adjusted to each individual brain patterns.
      I don't know, I can´t see the person I would be at this time without it.
      Lenire might just be a crutch for the time being, or just something that makes it worse.

      September 2018 - March 2019 I was seriously daily considering suicide because of the tinnitus and the extreme hyperacusis I had. So in regards to that. I am in a way better place now than I was then
      October 2019 - Started working again

      Feel free to hit me up with a PM if you have any questions.
       
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    27. jmasterj
      No Mood

      jmasterj Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic?
      I haven't posted for awhile, but thought I would do a quick update. I have been using Lenire for about 26 weeks now. I have been pretty much compliant for the entire time. I only missed four days a few weeks back while on a vacation. I was curious if taking a break would help, but it really didn't matter. I really haven't had any improvement and actually feel slightly worse. Probably not so much from Lenire, but the frustration and depression from this providing no relief. Of note, I have been using the first timings since I am unable to get back to Dublin and from the looks of it won't be able to for some time.

      I will keep using it for now. I am hoping someday to try the second timing to see if maybe I would respond to that better, but most that have posted here say that it actually made it worse for them, so who knows.
       
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    28. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 16 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      trauma
      As we all know one of the problems in talking about Lenire is how hard it is to quantify what is a subjective experience. One of the questions I had after my 3 month treatment is how much of the improvement I felt I had (I basically got a mild to moderate improvement) had nothing to do with Lenire, but habituation or other improvements that would have occurred regardless of use, as I was only 10 months into the tinnitus party when I started the treatment.

      Well I've taken a break now for more than two months to try some other treatment options (pharmaceuticals and now hearing aids/sound therapy).

      Well now that I have been off of it for more nearly 3 months, I can say more definitively that I no longer have the mild cycles that I did while on Lenire and which persisted about 6 weeks after treatment.

      I've just started hearing aids with sound therapy right now to see if I can't make some progress on the habituation front, but I intend to start up the Lenire again soon and see if I can't get some of the mild days to return.

      My point in posting is that having experienced some improvement with Lenire and now some regression after I stopped using it, that I feel more confident that it does indeed have a modest, but significant positive impact on me.
       
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    29. ruud1boy

      ruud1boy Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Huddersfield, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild since 2006. Severe since 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      An enthusiastic youth
      I'm approaching the 12-month mark with Lenire, having long since concluded that if it was going to do anything, it would have done by now. I had a call with one of their audiologists today and she eventually conceded that she's in agreement.
      Having said that, I am considering carrying on with the treatment regardless. It's become something of an emotional crutch for me, to know that I'm at least trying something to alleviate my tinnitus. Also, I have to acknowledge that I am dealing with my tinnitus much better than I was when I started the treatment. Lastly, doing the twice daily sessions gives me at least 1 hour a day where I don't have to hear my tinnitus.

      I asked about refinements / changes to the treatment parameters and she said they are working on these in light of the feedback they've had from users, but she couldn't tell me when they might be implementing them. As has been noted elsewhere, I think they're guessing to a certain extend as to what will affect people.
       
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    30. Lurius
      Wishful

      Lurius Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Valsalva maneuver
      Just wanted to make a quick report here. I've been on the 2nd setting for little over a week now and I'm already having some extremely quiet days. This morning I think I had total silence for 5 minutes - the longest I've been without tinnitus in nearly 2 years. I'm going to keep using Lenire on this setting for at least another month or two, see how that's going. I'm starting to feel hopeful for the first time since I saw that YouTube video with David Lam.
       
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