New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing

Discussion in 'Research News' started by Hudson, Jun 20, 2013.

    1. Manny
      In pain

      Manny Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      central gain << NIHL
      Damn, this is the type of comment I like. (I know, mine is not the most rational point at the end of the day, but hey.)
       
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    2. MichaelF6161
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      08/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Exposure to Gun Fire
      From the late 1980's to the current day, I watched advances in medical devices in the cardiac space that even the best biomedical engineer could have only dreamed of back then. It can happen in this area of neurology too.

      From my perspective, the biggest obstacle in curing tinnitus is the lack of monetary incentive (at least in the US). If you follow medical advances in the US over the last 40 years, the biggest leaps (cardiac, orthopedic, neurological, etc.) have been in areas where private, and more importantly publicly held, companies can get large payoffs for their R&D. That is just how it works, period.

      If you live in the US, call your House and Senate Reps offices, or write them an email, and tell them they need to expand CMS reimbursement for hearing diseases such as tinnitus and NIHL. If that one thing changes, you will have companies competing to get that big payoff, whether it is a medical device or a drug. It will happen.

      Every single phone call, every single email can make a difference. You have to act though.
       
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    3. coffee_girl
      Innocent

      coffee_girl Member Benefactor

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      If you get a chance, consider reading this article: https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/susan-g-komen-pink-ribbon-facade/

      The amount of money that actually goes to cancer research is very small, and even when it does goes into the right hands you are dealing with bad management, bureaucracy, and people who have no idea what they are doing. There is so much profit to be made on the cancer front that they almost don't want to find a cure. This is why you should always do your research before you consider donating to anything.
       
    4. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Aspirin Toxicity/Possibly Noise
      1/100th?


      Fastest 70's super computer Cray-1:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
      80 MHz
      8.39MB RAM
      303 MB storage

      Samsung S9
      Octa-core (4×2.7 GHz & 4×1.8 GHz)
      4 GB LPDDR4X RAM
      Storage 256GB

      CPU = 225X faster
      RAM = 1,907 more.
      Storage = 844 more.

      Cray 1 price = $7.9 million inflation = $38,277,698.66 today

      Samsung S9 = $720

      Just FYI
       
    5. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      Hey that’s a little harsh! We aren’t all bad !
       
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    6. Manny
      In pain

      Manny Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      central gain << NIHL
      8.39 MB RAM? That's hilarious.
       
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    7. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      dude in '75 that was a lot.
       
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    8. coffee_girl
      Innocent

      coffee_girl Member Benefactor

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      Nooo I wasn't talking about you lol :cry:

      Do you work in Cancer research too? My whole family does and they complain about it all the time...especially my dad when he has to go for monitoring visits.

      I should probably say "sometimes" it goes to people who mismanage
       
    9. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      What do you think about Stanislaw Burzynski?
       
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    10. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise
      Yeah so what? It's a guy sitting in a chair.
       
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    11. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      Loud noise
      I know when the cure for tinnitus will be found. You want to know??

      Wait for it... Wait for it...

      OK when they find a way to regenerate hair cells... That is in about 1000 years from now.
       
    12. MichaelF6161
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      08/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Exposure to Gun Fire

      That's unfortunate for certain. I' can't imagine though that companies looking at this don't see the $$$ at the end of their efforts. Maybe their industry is different, but when there was a viable therapy for a patient population that CMS and private insurance reimbursed generously, companies moved mountains to get their devices to market. By FDA terms, blinding speeds.

      I think some of the difference may be (again, I'm not been in the oncology field) where there are companies that are doing the research vs universities/grant fed research facilities doing the research. Pure science vs pure profit is a very, very different atmosphere. A funded trial by a publicly held company will not survive too long if there are not results and fiscal accountability.
       
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    13. coffee_girl
      Innocent

      coffee_girl Member Benefactor

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      All my life, but got worse 2016
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      This is a great perspective thank you.
       
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    14. MichaelF6161
      Balanced

      MichaelF6161 Member

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      You bet. Glad I could add a little something to the discussion. Now, how do we get this to move along?
      I've got some contacts in the medical device world, not in neurology or hearing. However, some of these companies are multi-disciplinary and maybe if they see another viable patient population that is underserved...

      Well, can't help to reach out to some old friends anyway.
       
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    15. Manny
      In pain

      Manny Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      They've already successfully done this at least in vitro.
       
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    16. PlsHelpMe
      Dead

      PlsHelpMe Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      June 28th, 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      A friend shot a cap gun into my ear. (Once)
      And what about the nerves?
       
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    17. Manny
      In pain

      Manny Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      @PlsHelpMe refer to the following post regarding FX 322:

      Also check out Otonomy's Oto-413, but that's a way's away.
       
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    18. PlsHelpMe
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      PlsHelpMe Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      June 28th, 2018
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      A friend shot a cap gun into my ear. (Once)
      Then what is the main challenges for finding a cure?
       
    19. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      So give it another 500 years from the Petri dish to human ears lol
       
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    20. Manny
      In pain

      Manny Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      central gain << NIHL
      Unfortunately, medicine doesn't always work as expected based on theory. That's why clinical trials are currently a necessity.
      FX322 is currently in clinical trials. Refer to the "Frequency Therapeutics" thread.
      :huganimation:
       
    21. PlsHelpMe
      Dead

      PlsHelpMe Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      June 28th, 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      A friend shot a cap gun into my ear. (Once)
      I don’t have too much hope.
       
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    22. MichaelF6161
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      You might want to tell that to these guys, and several other labs/companies that are already doing so in animal models and don't forget to call Columbia university and tell them to stop their human trials too.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/02/hea...oughs-attract-big-pharma-venture-capital.html

      http://entcolumbia.org/world-s-first-gene-therapy-trial-hearing-loss
       
    23. MichaelF6161
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      Exposure to Gun Fire
      Hang in there friend. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next year, but there are people and resources working on this hard. All it takes is that one moment, that one breakthrough that comes unexpectedly...and things can change quickly.

      It is hope that has always moved man forward, regardless of the obstacle.
       
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    24. MichaelF6161
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      MichaelF6161 Member

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      I'm assuming you also think the earth is flat.....
       
    25. ee9892

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      2015
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      Life
      Has anyone been contacted by the University of Michigan team regarding being selected for the trial? They said they would soon.
       
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    26. 1000

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      Someone who's in the clinical trial, got this email message:

      Screenshot_2018-10-17-10-00-40-1.png
       
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    27. ee9892

      ee9892 Member

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      Life
      When did they get that message
       
    28. 1000

      1000 Member

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      2017
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      Trauma
      Today 9:20 am
      You should call or email them. What are you waiting???
       
    29. spedgas
      Scared

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      I’m losing my mind over this device and the one from neuromod. I have so much hope invested in this treatment working. The waiting is killing me.
       
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    30. spedgas
      Scared

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      The clinicaltrials.gov website has the estimated primary completion date as September 2022 and the estimated study completion date as January 2023. Four years from now. How can it possibly take that long?
       
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