Psilocybin (Magic Mushrooms) Repair Brain Damage From Extreme Trauma

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments and Research' started by yonkapin, Dec 18, 2013.

    1. yonkapin

      yonkapin Member Benefactor

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      So, I stumbled upon this today and while this study deals exclusively with PTSD, I wouldn't be surprised if this approach could be applied to tinnitus sufferers given that conditions like PTSD and tinnitus are often linked together. Also remember reading about the effects shrooms had on OCD a few years back, apparently a single dose relieved some users symptoms completely.

      https://web.archive.org/web/2013081...8/new-study-magic-mushrooms-repair-brain.html

      Anyway:
      I think it'd be very interesting to see what effect psilocybin (and other psychedelics/empathogens) could possible have in the role of habituation and inducing brain plasticity with tinnitus sufferers, but I don't know enough about this stuff to really flesh any ideas out. It's a shame stuff like cannabis and mushrooms are shunned because of old propaganda while doctors dish out addicting (and often damaging) pharmaceuticals.
       
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    2. Meestijn
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      Good find!(y)
       
    3. Tenna
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      Seen a tv show on that a while back :) Trials on just that was done many years ago, which was indeed interesting, good to see research still being done on the subject.
      Meanwhile mushrooms are shunned, have a drink instead lol :beeranimation:
       
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    4. Garden Ring
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      I was wondering whether a controlled LSD trip could be of any benefit for tinnitus sufferers.

      Yet I'm afraid of an extremely high probability of a bad trip due to a sound in your ear you can't control, God only knows what it can turn into in an altered state of mind, and generally people with tinnitus are more anxious and depressed, which is a clear counterindication to tripping.

      Though it's really a shame that substances like LSD and MDMA are criminalised. I really tend to believe in their strong therapeutic potential, if not at reducing the tinnitus itself, but at least in removing fear and anxiety. I wish there was more open research on that topic.
       
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      yonkapin

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      Totally agree with you! I've always been a bit scared of LSD though because of the duration of it's effects, deepest I've ever gone is a few mushroom trips which were very pleasant and positive experiences. But I definitely think it has the potential, along with other psychedelics like psilocybin/DMT, to help tinnitus sufferers given the right environment and guidance.

      One of the best examples I can think of the use of psychedelics in a therapeutic setting has to be that of Ibogaine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine) and heroin addiction. There are a few documentaries on youtube and VICE did a piece on it on their TV show, but this drug has an absolutely insane success rate when it comes to obliterating sufferers of their crippling addiction to heroin. Heroin addicts go their whole lives addicted to the drug, or end up on something like methadone that is just as crippling the rest of their lives, Ibogaine is able to cure people of their addictions within 2 or 3 days. I find it disgusting that these sort of findings go ignored within mainstream medical communities, while band-aid (and often, just as damaging) solutions in the form of methadone and benzodiazepines are shoved onto helpless addicts.

      Hopefully now that more and more people are warming up to the idea of legalizing marijuana and recognizing it's potential health benefits, other psychedelics and empathogens will gain greater acceptance and research.
       
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    6. nills
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      From experience I can tell they don't help to cure the tinnitus. By the time I had tinnitus, I moved on from party setting to shamanistic rituals and setting and use of medicines instead of 'drugs'... none of them helped. Although they do give you a chance of widening your world view and learning you to accept your life the form it is taking. Healing traumas is all about acceptance... so I don't know what these medicines do on neurological level, but I do know they kick your butt if you don't accept :)

      P.S. I hoped Ibogaine would be a miracle cure but it didn't help with erasing tinnitus... I will do another session in the near future and maybe give some feedback if it feels right.
       
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      Oh wow, you've tried Ibogaine!? What was it like? Out of curiosity, what else have you tried? Don't suppose you've tried Ayahuasca/DMT?

      I don't expect to find any sort of miracle cure within psychedelics or emphathogens, but I do believe they could provide an array of benefits to those who are suffering - whether that be aiding in habituation or allowing for acceptance as you mention. It's all very interesting to me!
       
    8. Jake
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      I haven't used psychedelics in quite a while but I could definitely see how they could be beneficial to tinnitus sufferers, especially if you have your anxiety under control. In my experience, I always walked away in an optimistic state of mind after a trip.
       
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    9. nills
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      Yes Ayahuasca is quit familiar terrain. Medicines like Ayahuasca and Ibogaine should be respected and not approached lightly. Although you got to have some form of ease about it all. Seriousness won't get you anywhere, but disrespect will bring you down. But they will show you that anyway, comes with the package ;)

      I can't really remember the Ibogaine, it is like everything happened somewhere beyond my consciousness. It teaches you to let go of all your bad habits, physical, psychological and emotional. I felt supported in this for many months after. I used to steal a bit from shops (small stuff, like food which I thought was way overpriced) but I stopped that completely after Ibogaine.

      Ayahuasca is of a whole different caliber. She shows you the mysteries of the universe while opening up your Pandora's box while cradling you like a baby while having no respect for any of your cunning emotional tricks. She will shake you up for good. So humbleness is key.

      Both of these have to be done in ritual shamanistic setting in a group and with a knowledgeable guide or shaman.
       
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    10. meeruf
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      I smoked marijuana for the first time post-tinnitus some weeks ago. I did not enjoy it. I got to high and got stuck inside my head together with my loving tinnitus. I had to lay down in my bed to not freak out. Sad, but true. I really enjoyed to smoke marijuana once in a while pre-tinnitus.

      I have never tried psychedelics. Maybe I should give it a shot. It's not like it's hard to get them. :D
       
    11. tom68
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      A small dose, say 5-6 typical UK magic mushrooms, will have no real noticeable effect when taken at all, so anyone wanting to experiment with repeated low dose use could do that without fearing a psychedelic trip. From memory you'd be looking at maybe 20 magic mushrooms before any kind of trip and most regular users would be taking 100 plus in a mushroom tea - that would get pretty crazy though!

      Over here they grow September - October time but you can dry them and store them - I think they may have been criminalised in the last 10 years or so though. I've no desire to get into recreational use but a small amount daily might be worth a go.
       
    12. volsung37

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      Very interesting article. Magic mushrooms may be a very safe and effective antidepressant. Who'd have thought it? :)

      It could help tinnitus sufferers in those first horrible months after onset.

      'Two similar randomized controlled trials in late-stage cancer patients suggest that a single, high dose of the psychedelic drug psilocybin has rapid, clinically significant and lasting effects on mood and anxiety. The findings may be a therapeutic game changer for psychiatry.'

      Psilocybin May Be a Psychiatry Game Changer
       
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    13. Peat_Fairmud

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      I know this old but here goes:

      My last trip on mushrooms was a dose of 20 small blue-meanies (Australian slang for Panaeolus Cyanescens).

      During the "excursion", I had a passage during which, eyes shut, I imagined leaving my body and travelling out towards some kind of "event horizon", a bubble which enveloped the house I was staying in with my girlfriend and two other friends, at a vast height above the house.

      As I approached this invisible envelope, I sensed that what had appeared as stars on my approach, turned out to be port-holes through which I could move, if I wished, with a simple act of the will.
      But I held back, fearing that, should I push out and beyond, I might be unable to find my way back "home", much like a diver under an ice flow might not find the hole in the ice when he wanted to resurface into the light of day above.

      It really would be too bad if, once started on such a journey, one were to become fixated on the noises inside one's skull, would it not?

      I was about 17 at the time of the trip, so, about 5 years after the original injury to my ear-drum (an exploded bit of "ordanance" on Cracker night (Australian version of Guy Fawkes Night), right near the left ear-hole) so, at the time, tinnitus was not such an issue.

      Right now, with tinnitus spiking like a son of a bitch, I dunno, I just don't know... tempting, I gotta say... but?
       
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    14. Ear Drummer
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      Interesting thread...

      I've recently started micro-dosing Psilocybin to help with my depression after a number of casual uses and a few years of reading studies about using it for therapy, ranging from depression and addiction (quitting smoking) to accepting mortality when one has a terminal illness. I haven't really experienced my tinnitus diminishing with them but there have been other benefits and now reading about how it repairs the brain (I've been recently interested in Lion's Mane mushrooms, thanks to a video by Paul Stamets, which also repair the brain) and am looking forward to any other benefits from them.

      I very much agree with @nills about respecting medicines as I have done an Ayahuasca ceremony and it's exactly how he mentions it, unfortunately it didn't help with my tinnitus.

      I also agree with @Amaturekapfar about how weed suppresses REM sleep and how maybe a year of proper REM sleep (I like to think of a few months hibernation maybe) would really help with the tinnitus. I'm a daily cannabis smoker and it does make my tinnitus louder but then it returns to "normal" after as @Sen mentioned.

      I've tried a number of the treatments mentioned in this thread (Ayahuasca, Cannabis, LSD, MDMA, Psilocybin) and the only one that actually made my tinnitus go away for any length of time was MDMA. Mostly the first time. It was amazing and gave me enough hope that we can find a cure or at least relief.

      The best advice is be careful and respect any substance that you choose to use and sometimes less is more.
       
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    15. linearb
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      I tried this a little while ago, at 0.25g and 0.5g of what I assume are reasonably potent cambodian 'cubes in tea.

      At 0.25g, almost nothing noted; very mild enhancement of visual data, no changes to tinnitus. Mild mood lift present ~2 hours ex post facto, with effects lasting only 20-30 minutes.

      At 0.5g, significant open eye distortions, and when sitting in silent meditation, there was a clear (and artificial) quieting of the mind around the tinnitus, but no changes noticed in the tinnitus signal at all. Closed eye space friendly and geometric; described state to a friend, "I've got my tinnitus, but god is wrapping me in a blanket now".

      Effects dissipated rapidly, ~40-60 minutes. More significant mood lift ~2 hours ex post facto, total duration of significant effects maybe closer to 2 hours at this dose.

      So... mushrooms do what they've always done, but, for me, that doesn't affect the ringing very much. I have the sense that if I took about six grams, my ego would completely fall apart around the tinnitus, and all that would be left of me would be a pillar of cacophonous noise oscillating up and down my spine through my chakra centers. I am not sure if I find that idea more fascinating or terrifying, but I do know that it's going to be a long time before my busy life affords me the chance to be that incapacitated for a whole day.

      Anyway, I hadn't peeked down any of these corridors in a number of years, so even if there was no astonishing effect on my tinnitus, it was vaguely reassuring to find out that mushroom space is the same as it was the last time I left it, and that the unfathomably mysterious fractal heart of the universe beats on, forever, filling and permeating this space we call "here" with light and love... or some such hippy bullshit. Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
       
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