Should the Subject of Euthanasia Even Be Discussed?

[Jazzer]

Do you remember the old days when nobody was prepared to think about, let alone talk about, dying, and the absolute necessity of making out wills?

The current taboo seems to be euthanasia.
Why?

Should the subject of euthanasia even be discussed on a support forum?
I think it should.

Euthanasia can be a humane release in the most extreme cases, in a situation of otherwise unavoidable and total despair.
This scenario clearly does not apply to most of us.
Without that option, a sufferer from whatever illness may well contemplate a self inflicted, desperately lonely death, which can be appallingly violent, traumatising for the family, and at worst, inconclusive, leaving one to suffer very much more for very much longer.

Dignity in Dying is long overdue in the U.K. and that is criminal.
We do it for our critters.
Well why do we do it for them?
Because we absolutely love them to bits,
and are not prepared to simply watch them suffer.

Nobody wants to think about dying.
Nobody wants to think about suicide.
Nobody wants to think about euthanasia as a viable option.
Nobody wants to talk about it.
But if the situation is ever to change, then we must think about it.
We must discuss it.

My gut feeling is, that if euthanasia were made available, that very fact would provide some relief, and would very likely save lives.

Sufferers would actually step back from the brink, and choose to go on living, with no further need to mull over other much more dreadful options, which currently haunt them so much so, that they sonetimes rush into truly awful acts of desperation.

To me, the thought that a euthanasia option should not be offered for serious illnesses is criminal and appalling.

 

[Bam]

As you well know Jazzer I strongly support euthanasia for severe T. I honestly cannot think of a more deserving affliction in terms of length x intensity of potential suffering. I believe it's unmatched in that regard. It can be 30 or 40 years of being held on the absolute rev limit of suffering every second of every day.

In reality it should fall under basic human rights contraventions, namely the right to not be tortured. I do wonder if anyone has ever pursued this in the high court?!? If you could establish that the noise you hear would be considered a form of unacceptable torture if inflicted willingly on a person, and the only way to stop the sound was death in our case could you get a judge to make a landmark decision??

That would be a fucking poke in the eye of the 'coping' industry mobsters.

 

[john paul]

We are only here to pay tax and filter wealth to the top. Allowing euthanasia is like chopping the hand that feeds them. They care not about us, only the survival of themselves.

 

[dpdx]

I support Euthanasia totally.

 

[dpdx]

We are only here to pay tax and filter wealth to the top. Allowing euthanasia is like chopping the hand that feeds them. They care not about us, only the survival of themselves.

People should have the right to off themselves if they are suffering tremendously.

 

[dpdx]

@threefirefour
@Contrast
@JohnAdams

 

[threefirefour]

Absolutely. Euthanasia should be on the table always.

My main problem with it is people thinking that it should only be for those suffering though. IMO, no. If someone wants to die then let them.

 

[dpdx]

Absolutely. Euthanasia should be on the table always.

My main problem with it is people thinking that it should only be for those suffering though. IMO, no. If someone wants to die then let them.

People who have Severe Tinnitus or Severe Hyperacusis (permanent) should be allowed to make a decision to end it.

 

[glynis]

I don't even think Euthanasia is done for anything is in the UK ...
But vets can put down a suffering animal..
love glynis

 

[Bam]

Absolutely. Euthanasia should be on the table always.

My main problem with it is people thinking that it should only be for those suffering though. IMO, no. If someone wants to die then let them.

I raised this point with @Jazzer about depressed people essentially 'piggybacking' tinnitus to get euthanised. His point was as yours @threefirefour If they want to die....let em!

That said I know in Belgium that you have to have attempted several treatments and have a clear T 'history' so to speak before being considered.

 

[Jazzer]

I have had severe chronic intrusive Tinnitus for over four years now, and I cope.
Some days it's very tough, some days it's 'relatively' okay.
If euthanasia were available right now - I want to tell you - I would not go for it. I want to live.
But life is a continuem and none of us knows what we may be asked to bear.

However, I have supported 'Dignity in Dying' for years, having watched friends die in terrible pain from cancer; in terrible helplessness, terrible hopelessness from motor neurone disease.

Most opposition to euthanasia comes from
'the god fearing' - those 'terrified' of breaking the sixth commandment - those who would prefer to watch unimaginable suffering than allow a humane escape.

To my mind, the Ten Commandments are the work of a committee of people who put there heads together, and came up with some pretty good generalised rules for living.
Together with 'the Golden Rule'
"Love Thy Neighbour as Thyself" they are unbeatable I'd say.
I struggle with the concept that God had a team of stonemasons chippin' away at rocks on top of Mt Sinai.
(Mind you - that Charlton Heston was a bit scary, I must say. Better watch my P's and Q's.)

But if God does actually exist, does anybody really believe that he wants us to go on living totally intolerable lives. I don't believe it.
I personally do not wish to be euthanased, but very strongly believe that it is morally indefensible for people to block its approval.

PS - come on guys - we'd do it for our
little doggy or pussycat......

 

[Bam]

I have had severe chronic intrusive Tinnitus for over four years now, and I cope.
Some days it's very tough, some days it's 'relatively' okay.
If euthanasia were available right now - I want to tell you - I would not go for it. I want to live.
But life is a continuem and none of us knows what we may be asked to bear.

However, I have supported 'Dignity in Dying' for years, having watched friends die in terrible pain from cancer; in terrible helplessness, terrible hopelessness from motor neurone disease.

Most opposition to euthanasia comes from
'the god fearing' - those 'terrified' of breaking the sixth commandment - those who would prefer to watch unimaginable suffering than allow a humane escape.

To my mind, the Ten Commandments are the work of a committee of people who put there heads together, and came up with some pretty good generalised rules for living.
Together with 'the Golden Rule'
"Love Thy Neighbour as Thyself" they are unbeatable I'd say.
I struggle with the concept that God had a team of stonemasons chippin' away at rocks on top of Mt Sinai.
(Mind you - that Charlton Heston was a bit scary, I must say. Better watch my P's and Q's.)

But if God does actually exist, does anybody really believe that he wants us to go on living totally intolerable lives. I don't believe it.
I personally do not wish to be euthanased, but very strongly believe that it is morally indefensible for people to block its approval.

PS - come on guys - we'd do it for our
little doggy or pussycat......

Personally I'm one of those who love to have an honest discussion with my GP and there was some sort of 'plan of action' however drastic, that avoided at all costs decades of potential suffering.

That just seems like common sense to me.

But like @Jazzer I'm not religious. If you want to believe that God did this to you to make you stronger, that's a choice I respect and I hope you suceed.

I'm more of the camp that believes that once life is no longer remotely enjoyable and has actually become intolerable, why bother.

Perhaps I'm just a lazy so and so.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

My gut feeling is, that if euthanasia were made available, that very fact would provide some relief, and would very likely save lives.

I agree. Just knowing it's available might help a lot of people get through the day. It would take away the panicky feeling that you're trapped and can't get out no matter how bad it gets.

 

[Jazzer]

Perhaps I'm just a lazy so and so.

.......I didn't like to suggest it Bam.....

 

[Bam]

I agree. Just knowing it's available might help a lot of people get through the day. It would take away the panicky feeling that you're trapped and can't get out no matter how bad it gets.

This is what a lot of even fellow T sufferers who cope with it cannot seem to realise in regards to us who don't. One guy shot me down in flames for suggesting euthanasia could save lives.

Yet it's proven in Belgium. Offer some people an assisted death and they actually get better. One case of 24 year old girl with depression stands out. The day before the euthanasia she changed her mind and decided to live after all. She finally after years of suicidal ideation, got better.

Similarly the availability of a decent end would be a massive relief to severe T sufferers and might help us live more normally and stop panicking about suicide and nobody caring.

 

[Contrast]

Before we talk about euthenasia we might as well bitch about not having treatment options.

 

[Champ]

Before we talk about euthenasia we might as well bitch about not having treatment options.

Seriously wtf. Let's get shit fixed, we have the technology.

 

[Bam]

Before we talk about euthenasia we might as well bitch about not having treatment options.

I guarantee you that Belgium and Holland are working a damn sight harder on treatments, aware that the numbers of euthanasia requests based on T is rising every year and will only increase.

 

[another sean]

during my first year of T before habituating, the thought of assisted euthanasia being available in my state gave me a lot of peace. the very thought of it gave me peace. the thought of death gave me peace because after death is peace. Deep down, I would never actually go thru with it. I have watched a few documentaries of people actually going thru with it. That was enough for me. But I was glad the option was there just in case I lost myself. Like I had a way out and always choices if need be even though I was certain, in my current state, I wouldn't.

 

[Bam]

during my first year of T before habituating, the thought of assisted euthanasia being available in my state gave me a lot of peace. the very thought of it gave me peace. the thought of death gave me peace because after death is peace. Deep down, I would never actually go thru with it. I have watched a few documentaries of people actually going thru with it. That was enough for me. But I was glad the option was there just in case I lost myself. Like I had a way out and always choices if need be even though I was certain, in my current state, I wouldn't.

Would they have allowed that in America for T or psychological suffering? As I understand it only Belgium and Holland actively enforce this. About 50 people a year.

 

[another sean]

Would they have allowed that in America for T or psychological suffering? As I understand it only Belgium and Holland actively enforce this. About 50 people a year.

It defers by each state. Its legal in California with an approval from a licensed therapist.

 

[Contrast]

instead of talking about euthanasia, maybe we can atleast talk about mandatory ways to bypass clinical trials. ...

 

[Bam]

instead of talking about euthanasia, maybe we can atleast talk about mandatory ways to bypass clinical trials. ...

I would experimentally try anything right now to rid myself of this soul sucking hell. But I for one cannot do 5 more years of this. My life is in tatters and I'm suffering horrible PTSD on top of this ugly T.

No cure?? Okay I understand that. It sucks but I get i get it. But expecting someone who is deeply traumatised to live with intolerable noise torture 24/7 or kill yourself? That's basically condemning severe T sufferers to a fate infinitely worse than someone on death row and that's plain wrong.

All T sufferers mild and severe should be screaming blue murder for the 'choice' as mild can become catastrophic at any moment.....as we see everyday on here after the most innocuous of events, like a wedding.

 

[Bill Bauer]

To me, the thought that a euthanasia option should not be offered for serious illnesses is criminal and appalling.

I agree. A murderer forces someone to die against their will. To me, forcing someone to live against their will is as bad as murder. I am glad that this option is now available for the terminally ill in Canada. It is ridiculous that one needs to have a terminal illness to get the doctor's help with this. What about "my body my choice"?!

 

[Bill Bauer]

Its legal in California with an approval from a licensed therapist.

Are you sure therapists are allowed to approve people with non-terminal illnesses?

 

[another sean]

Are you sure therapists are allowed to approve people with non-terminal illnesses?

that's what I recall reading 3 years ago. has it changed?

 

[Bill Bauer]

that's what I recall reading 3 years ago.

Amazing. Good for Californians.

 

[threefirefour]

Amazing. Good for Californians.

Sometimes my states not so bad.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Sometimes my states not so bad.

My reading of
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-euthanasia-laws.html
is that one has to be either terminally ill and likely to die in less than 6 months, or on life support to get a doctor to assist with one's suicide... Not good enough!

 

[threefirefour]

My reading of
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-euthanasia-laws.html
is that one has to be either terminally ill and likely to die in less than 6 months, or on life support to get a doctor to assist with one's suicide... Not good enough!

Oh nevermind. Anything less than being allowed to kick whenever you want for whatever isn't good enough.