Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

That's funny, I just saw my dentist yesterday. But he did tell me that he had to retire 2 employees, so he was definitely affected by the crisis. Just not in shutdown mode just yet.

 

Mathew. MGM is down 25% today.
At this time I would not buy any stocks that relate to the virus as most are too hyped and they won't make enough money to cover debt - especially vaccine and food home delivery companies. I like eBAY as their sales comps are going thru the roof and they are in outstanding financial condition. Another company that may rise is HMY - Harmony Gold.

 

My next ENT appointment was moved from an office visit to a video visit.

 

Having read about this from time to time, I too am skeptical that large doses of Vitamin C will help.

That said, I bought a bottle of Vitamin C the other day thanks to your advocacy.

 

My whole question on MGM is if it's a bottom play. If it goes to $4 a share it has nowhere to go but up I guess.

I like UBER, FB, DISNEY, YUM... Yeah Disney and Uber might go lower, I have about 4-5 stocks I will buy first, then I have stocks like Disney, MGM, etc that are going to have problems because of the virus that I will buy second or if the market goes down even more... But my first round of stocks are going to be the blue chippers or safer plays.

 

Australia has shut its borders. Today - 19 March - we have 565 ‘confirmed’ cases (populatio 25 million)

and the only reason I’m worried about this virus is what effect it and the medications you would take in hospital would have on my ears !! That’s top of my mind.

 

With MGM, it's about their credit ratings. The longer their casinos stay closed - the more effort. MGM was at 32 before the virus and now at 7, but traded as low as 6 yesterday. Questionable is will herds of people quickly return to their casinos.

The same with

but Disney has deep pockets.

A lot of hurt can also happen if positive virus news is announced to stocks that are virus plays. With the 13 companies working on a vaccine, few will be successful. Most of the virus plays are companies deep in debt and their stock price gains - some 10X to 30X will not hold because their business models are too small.

The number one safe play blue chip is eBAY.

As I type this in the middle of the night, DOW futures are making swings of 400 points - down - up - down.

 

I am not shocked. Everything here is stage managed.

The number of cases will almost certainly be in the 1000s... at the very least not 147!

 

Just curious but why do you not see eBay as suffering from the same effects of a downturned economy? Very few of what they sell is essential.

EBay makes their money in 2 ways, monthly seller fees (which will prob increase as people are trying to get rid of whatever they can to make money) and item sales commisions. I can't help but think profits from the second number will go down.

I think Amazon would be a better bet because their logistics system allow for a re-priorotizing as needed. Amazon just announced that third party sellers aren't allowed to use warehouse space during the pandemic to allow an increase in food and other necessities. Their operating costs are higher but they could continually adjust their inventory based on demand and have other services (e.g.. media) too.

I'm not sure if this is too much of a tangent or not for this thread but was curious about this.

 

don't worry guys it's just an exponential curve with 10,000 US cases and 150 dead now.

 

Hey @Jack V -- Here's an 8-min. video--just posted yesterday--which describes some of the latest results coming out of China where they're using Vit. C therapy to treat the coronavirus (408 Likes; 0 Non-Likes). The gist of the results start at about the 2-min. mark. To the best of my recollection, 50 moderate to severe patients were given 10-20 grams/day, and so far there have been no deaths. Later on he mentions how one person in particular was deteriorating so quickly, they decided to give him 60 grams of Vit. C. His deterioration stopped, and has now apparently fully recovered.

Hospital treatment of COVID-19 with high-dose Vit C 3,071 views•Mar 18, 2020 408 0

A couple of notable facts about Vitamin C I don't believe I've mentioned previously (again, to the best of my recollection): 1) Most animals, when injured and/or experience an infection, will ramp up production of Vit. C in their bodies on their own, not needing supplemental C to do that. The amount of Vit. C they create relative to their body weight would be equivalent to a human producing about 30 grams or so. Since humans don't have that capability, if we want to mimic what animals can do, we have to supplement with it.

2) The highest concentrations of Vit. C in the body are in the adrenal glands. Since the adrenals are of utmost importantance in terms of our bodies being able to handle stress, it makes sense that stores of Vit. C in the adrenals could quickly become depleted during times of illness. It seems to also make an inordinate amount of sense to make sure our Vit. C levels are at saturation levels at a time when the coronavirus is so ubiquitous.

I'm not sure why there's been so much resistance to Vitamin C therapy since it first began to demonstrate some of its miraculous therapeutic value against all kinds of dangerous viruses and other pathogens back in the 1940s (starting with polio). The only reason I can think of that mainstream medicine has gone out of their way to denigrate people like Linus Pauling (2-time nobel prize winning physicist who openly advocated for using it extensively in our approach to health care), is because of the risk to the profits generated from potentially lucrative drug sales. If somebody else could clue me in on any other reasons, I'd be happy to hear them.

Some of the gentle resistance and skepticism, and unfortunately, outright hostility on this thread toward Vit. C therapy seems to be a reflection of the success of those with more of an ivory tower and profit driven orientation toward health care. It seems these kinds of people have succeeded in swaying the minds of a lot of people to believe that Vitamin C therapy probably has only modest value at best, and should be viewed with a great amount of skepticism. As I mentioned earlier, it seems a number of articles are now proliferating online to support this viewpoint. -- I found it interesting that when I went to do an online search for "Vitamin C for coronavirus", the automatic filler (which usually spits out tons of possibilities) didn't help me at all. I thought it would fill in after typing the "c", and kept anticipating it would fill in with each following letter. It never did, and I had to type out the whole word "coronavirus" to get my search results.

I've mostly restricted myself on this thread mostly to describing what I've learned about Vit. C in years past, as I think it's likely to be the most important information available to us at this time in addressing the current pandemic. Since I extensively researched and know its history and therapetuic value, I can only conclude that hooking somebody up to IV Vit. C as soon as there's even a hint somebody might have the coronavirus is the most prudent thing health care providors can do worldwide. The history is there; the proof is there; the proof is being proven again with the trials in China; with virtually NO risk to the patient. What are we waiting for?

But I'm not so narrowminded to think that other therapies shouldn't be looked at as well (including drug therapies). I got an email this morning from a well known herbalist in our area that indicates there are other non-drug therapies that could be extremely helpful, and would likely work quite well syngeristically with Vit. C therapy. Below is the gist to this email... -- BTW @Jack V -- I appreciate your gentle skepticism, but thanks for not calling me a Marxist!

"In Western tradition, boneset is perhaps the single most important herb for combating the flu. There have been six major influenza pandemics (worldwide outbreaks) since 1889. The 1918 influenza pandemic (“Spanish flu”) was the deadliest pandemic in history. Approximately 5% of the ..."

Boneset (Eupatorium Perfoliatum) Monograph​

 

Resistance to vitamin C, in general, is because it's health benefits have been touted for decades and its actual clinical track record in most cases is abysmal. Sorry but that's just my view after reading several hundred whitepapers.

That does not mean it might not be an effective treatment for some things, and there is no lack of case reports indicating that.

This is the ongoing clinical trial: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533

If this really shortens hospital stays by 25%, then the US will start using it, as soon as our first ICUs are overwhelmed. In fact, if there even continues to be spotty evidence it might work, then we'll start to see it used as desperation rises. We're already circumventing usual FDA process.

However, there are a number of other drugs and therapies also being tested (existing antivirals, etc) which may reduce hospital stay times by that much, or more.

I believe once we have more data, until we have a vaccine, hospitals are going to be using a shotgun approach of "shit that might work!" on severe cases.

It's also worth noting -- the best data from China is that vit-C reduces the length of time people need respirators for. That's fantastic if true because it means less resource starvation on respirators. However, this is not a cure, even if it works twice as well as the Chinese think it does, and even if it could instantly be implemented in every US ICU -- that would slow this down substantially, but not avert a health crisis.

The idea that vit C has been overlooked because it's "not profitable" is silly bordering on paranoid to me, having read hundreds of whitepapers. There are lots of common, generic compounds, drugs etc that have been widely studied and are very commonly suggested medically even though they're not really profitable to anyone. Melatonin probably displaces a ton of Zopiclone prescriptions in the US, but every doctor I've seen loves to recommend it first because it's safer, cheaper, and there's a decent stack of data indicating it's safe and effective.

edit: I've also spent far too much of my adult life discussing science and pseudoscience around vit C, so I will try to bow out of this, but I am keeping my eyes open for any updates on the Chinese research ongoing. I expect to see US hospitals doing similar soon, once they have caseload to manage.

 

The first confirmed community-spread in the US was the end of february, so even if we backdate that two weeks, at the time this was forged, a whole week ago, we were perhaps a month in.

Since someone made this post quite recently, these numbers probably haven't changed much, right, since that would require exponential growth?



...oh. cool!

 

@linearb -- No need to be sorry for having a viewpoint. However, are you aware a lot of research is only approved and/or funded after it becomes clear what the researcher is either trying to prove or disprove? Are you aware that this dynamic is what set back research into the medicinal value of cannabis for decades? If a researcher made a proposal which sought to look for any medicinal values of cannabis, not only would it be highly unlikely to get funded, but it could possibly be the "kiss of death" to their career as well.

This type of skewing seems to be pervasive when it comes to any kind of natural, safe, effective, inexpensive therapy, such as cannabis, vitamin C, DMSO, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if DMSO could become the best selling and profitable "drug" of all time--if only it could be patented. Since it can't, very few people know much about it. -- Obviously, I could go on and on, but I think it might be best for me to leave this thread, as I have little interest in debating points that strike me as being close to meaningless (sincerely--no offense intended).

I've done my best to point out the promising potential value of using Vit. C to treat the coronavirus. Anybody who would want to review my posts on this thread can do so to make a comprehensive assessment if they choose to. -- BTW, I'm not the least bit surprised this pandemic has occured, as it's seemed almost inevitable to me for many years. Anticipating it's arrival, I've long known how I would treat it, with Vitamin C therapy being an integral part of that treatment.

Also, BTW, my wife had a dog many years ago that got exposed to a large amount of heavy metals from some kind of transformer falling down on the street near where she lived at the time. The dog became extremely sick, and the vet gave my wife little hope it could recover. She asked the vet to administer IV Vitamin C to see if it might quickly detoxifiy those heavy metals, which it did. And the dog recovered.

Also, there are several articles on the orthomolecular.org website which describe how Vitamin C has been demonstrated to be extremely valuable if a child (or anybody) experiences a severe reaction from having a vaccination. -- There's a plethora of information that could be added to what I've already shared. Anybody can do their own research. My hope here on this thread is that I could provide at least a reasonable rationale for doing so. -- @Star64

 

An MD gave your dog IV Vitamin C?

What diagnosis did the vet give first?

 

@Lane yeah I think the state of how a lot of research gets funded is a shambles and that large parts of our regulatory apparatus are deeply in the pocket of Pharma, no disagreements there.

If I was dying of coronavirus I'd probably demand an attempt at IV Vit C, too, so no disagreement there

I am just a bit "show me the money", and even if I don't inherently trust the way a lot of research is funded or conducted, I do tend to trust things which show up in peer-reviewed studies and are then replicated by other teams. Short of that bar of evidence, well, I like to wonder about a lot of things but find it impossible to be very sure.

I have a relative who does peer review for NIH, so I have some insight into the machinations of all that. Also know various people who do clinical research in one capacity or another.

 

This occured before I met my wife, but as I understood it, the vet gave Vit. C to the dog, not an MD. I just edited my previous post to clarify that--thanks. -- Just to mention, I'm pretty sure the reason Vitamin C can be so valuable for severe vaccination reactions, is the same ability to quickly detoxify toxins from the body (which are often the part of vaccines that cause such bad reactions). -- NAC is extremely good for this as well.

I myself have long thought it would be a good idea to mandate Vit. C supplemention accompany any kind of vaccination, which would likely prevent a lot of the injuries that vaccinations cause. I wish more parents who have reservations about giving their child vaccinations knew this, so they could given their child at least add an extra layer of protection.

 

This would be extraordinarily unconventional therapy for a veterinarian for two reasons.

1) unlike humans, dogs synthesize their own vitamin C so it's almost never given exogenously.

2) there are established conventional heavy metal chelating protocols that are used in severe acute toxicosis cases like what you are describing. They can be extremely successful! Was this offered to your wife?

As a veterinarian, I would love to know more specifics about the case and why Vitamin C was chosen instead.

 

Is there anyone planning on trying to contact the Corona Virus so they can die?

 

No. You're young, probably wouldn't kill you. I wouldn't want to voluntarily try if either the virus or the meds made my tinnitus worse.

 

there's a whole thread for talking about suicide, get this nonsense out of here please

 

Chronically Ill Person Reacts to Coronavirus...

 

700 cases today in Australia :/

Trump has announced the use of 2 anti malarial drugs for COVID-19; both of which I would avoid because of my tinnitus.

I'll stick to my lyme herbs, try to work from home, and stick to social distancing.

 

The first person to seek treatment for the virus in China was on 12/10/19.
https://www.exponentialview.co/p/-after-the-virus

The first confirmed entrance of the virus into the US was on 01/13/20 (although it's possible that it was in the US several weeks before that).
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/2nd-coronavirus-case-confirmed-u-s-cdc-reports-n1121911

The first confirmed diagnosed person to person spread of the virus was reported on 01/30/20.
https://www.kwqc.com/content/news/2nd-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-Illinois-567432441.html

It's reasonable to assume the individual was infected shortly after his wife returned from China. That would put the date of transmission around mid January. That would establish that the US at is at a minimum 2 months into this from the first known person to person transmission.

"A genetic analysis of viral strains from Washington state suggests that the virus has been circulating there for about nine weeks (6 weeks according to an NPR article dated 03/01/20)."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/01/8109...ly-ramps-up-expect-more-u-s-coronavirus-cases

"As Testing Quickly Ramps Up, Expect More U.S. Coronavirus Cases."

"More testing is sure to find more people with the virus."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/01/8109...ly-ramps-up-expect-more-u-s-coronavirus-cases


"As major news outlets like the New York Times have updated the number of cases of COVID-19 and confirmed deaths from it, a new trend has emerged: the death rate, measured as the number of deaths divided by the number of cases, is falling."

"Why would the U.S. death rate fall so much over just a few days? The answer is that as more people are tested for the virus, the death rate falls because it becomes more accurate."

"And the most accurate data are likely coming from Germany, which arguably has had better testing than any other country. Germany also has the lowest death rate, at just over 0.1%. If that number sounds familiar, it is roughly the death rate from the 2018-19 flu season in the U.S."

https://www.aier.org/article/the-us-coronavirus-death-rate-is-falling-and-germanys-more-so/

 

https://siberiantimes.com/other/oth...east-are-almost-clear-of-coronavirus-but-why/

 

EBAY isn't a stock to trade to make fast money. These days with my health, I like to trade stocks short term or trade with a potential move of 25% to 100% or more. I also use options or short the same issue when price gets to high. I seldom trade these days, but had made a few trades on virus associated issues. I also shorted the market with UVXY at just over 10.50 and sold 135.00. Not bad for holding for only a few weeks, but I did sell most a lot quicker - just for a double because of health.

EBAY is not likely to see guidance cuts for the March and June quarters. The stock trades at an enterprise value to revenue multiple of 3.4 times 2020 revenue estimates, and just 3 times 2021 estimate. Factor in an expected $4 billion stock repurchase this year, and the valuation drops to 2.9 times 2020 revenue. In considering that
the expected coming sale of the company’s classified ads business, and the probability that proceeds will fund additional share repurchases, the valuation would be even lower.

 

It's interesting that many people use the number of dead people divided by the number of cases to compute the death rate. It's like computing the probability of getting "heads" when we flip many coins by dividing the number of coins that landed on "heads" by the sum of the number of coins that landed on "tails" PLUS the coins that are still in flight. The fallacy is that it assumes that all the coins that are still "in flight" are going to land on "tails". We don't get to count the coins that haven't landed because we don't know what their outcome is going to be. Strangely, this metric is used in many places.

Accordingly, computing death cases over number of cases is going to yield a lower bound to the actual figure.

The one number we can compute without assumptions is the number of people who died divided by the number of outcomes (death or recovery), which, as of right now, worldwide, is 9843/(84962+9843) = ~10%.

 

In South Korea 99% of the current cases are categorized as mild.


A more appropriate analogy might be "in flight coins" that have landed heads up but have not completely come to rest.

 

Germany currently has 15,000 active cases with only 100 recovered and 44 deaths, so it seems a wee bit early to be speculating what their curve and numbers will end up looking like.

I do see that they are mobilizing reserve army units and preparing to lock down various areas, though. Is that a normal thing Germany does during flu season? Sounds weird but I've never been there

 

Would now be a bad time to take Prednisone? Given that it lowers your immunity system?