ForgTin to Forget Tinnitus: Reviews / Experiences? Does It Work?

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments and Research' started by Mentos, Oct 15, 2020.

    1. Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      I stumbled on news about an Austrian company testing a piece of metal behind the ear to suppress tinnitus, full text in German below:

      ForgTin: 3D-gedruckter Bügel soll Tinnitus erträglicher machen

      Anyone from Austria here who could get to know more about it? Maybe some members could volunteer to participate in the clinical trial? It seems a different approach to treating tinnitus than regular sound therapies.

      I add a link to producer site:

      https://forgtin.com/
       
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    2. Selah1281

      Selah1281 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      “The 3D-printed bracket stimulates "three essential pressure points" during the day, which is supposed to set in motion a "unlearning process" that reduces the continuous neuronal fire in the brain and thus leads to the chronic tinnitus being forgotten.”

      Sounds scammy.

      They are having clinical trials? It’s already for sale on their website.
       
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      Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      They started clinical trials in October with an aim to finish in August 2021. Meanwhile they will start selling it as of November this year.
       
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    4. Selah1281

      Selah1281 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      So the shop on the site is pre-orders then? I don’t know German, I just put it in Google translator.
       
    5. Pitseleh

      Pitseleh Member

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2007
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      If it helps even slightly with the tinnitus level, then 600 euros seems an OK price.

      If it's a complete scam, this is an extremely overpriced scam...
       
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    6. friend74
      Doubtful

      friend74 Member

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      1994
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music
      The founder/creator of ForgTin claims to have suffered from tinnitus for 19 years and is now tinnitus free...

      The first non-clinical study showed that the subjective tinnitus of the participants was reduced between 30 - 100% within a few weeks.

      It will be available next week. They sell it because they got so many requests from tinnitus sufferers. So they start selling the model from the first non-clinical study.

      P.S. Personally I don't think this works. I wish it did, but I don't think so.
       
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    7. UKBloke

      UKBloke Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1991
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music / family history
      Does "two-armed, randomised, clinical study" include placebo control?
       
    8. MBH

      MBH Member

      Location:
      Upstate NY
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Overloaded stress
      If @Contrast confirms it's not a scam, then it might be good.
       
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    9. Lurius
      Wishful

      Lurius Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Valsalva maneuver
      I would be very interested in knowing more about this. I'll be watching this thread closely.
       
    10. Chinmoku

      Chinmoku Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Started with a cold, possibly worsened by medication/noise
      Just pure pressure? No electrodes, no sound, no signal? How can this work? How can simple pressure in three points of the ear without further stimulus lead the neurons to unlearn the tinnitus? Perhaps it can help tinnitus cases that are responsive to tapping or acupuncture?

      A clinical trial until August 2021? That long?

      I'm very sceptical about this. Unfortunately, I'm 99% sure this won't work for me. However, I'll look at the clinical trial results with interest. I hope I'm wrong and my scepticism is ill-posed.
       
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    11. Lurius
      Wishful

      Lurius Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Valsalva maneuver
      For the last hour, I've been reading what's out there on the internet about this product.

      The upside is that they seem to want to find a permanent solution to tinnitus and they're actively pursuing silence, not just "tinnitus relief" (God, I hate that phrase) or "managing your tinnitus".

      The downside is that I don't understand the science behind it, so I have a really hard time seeing how it could work.

      It also seems to me that you're not supposed to wear that thing when you sleep, which means that I'm still going to have sleepless nights. My tinnitus bothers me the most during the night, so this was a real downer.

      However, unless this is a scam, I think this is the best product I've come across since Lenire. I'll be watching it closely and I think I'm also going to send them an email with some questions to get an impression of their operation.
       
    12. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      I don't believe it. It seems like a more sophisticated self-medication approach along the lines of R David Case's Tinnitus Mix insofar as it was created by a guy who got tinnitus and then tried every conceivable mad scientist treatment. Note that it was a NON clinical trial. I want more rigorous testing and testimonials before I get my hopes up.

      And really, there are plenty of one-off anecdotes of people who tried X or Y and say they "cured" their tinnitus, and they may very well have, but along the lines of going to Vegas and winning the slots. Not necessarily reproducible.
       
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    13. weab00
      Alone

      weab00 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      depression-ville
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise, whiplash; 08/20 H
      Yeah like Liam Boehm's tinnitus. Dude experienced fading after the passage of time and thinks that he cured tinnitus with dieting and supplements.
       
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    14. CricketEars

      CricketEars Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2003
      I don’t really trust any product that has a part of the word “tinnitus” in it (it screams scam). But I haven’t researched this one.
       
    15. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      Pressure points for tinnitus? I will remain skeptical about this until some real clinical studies come out about it.

      It seems interesting, but unlikely.
       
    16. morgothaod

      morgothaod Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2009
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      How is this different than acupuncture?
       
    17. friend74
      Doubtful

      friend74 Member

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      1994
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music
      The 'good' thing about this would be (if it works) that that guy had his tinnitus for 19 years, so basically a long time sufferer.
       
    18. UKBloke

      UKBloke Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1991
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music / family history
      I'm thinking this is more like acupressure incorporating point SI 19 into the treatment.

      Wouldn't surprise me if the inventor had undergone a course of something similar in the past prompting him to try and fix up a device on the 3D printer.

      Screenshot 2020-10-28 at 15.35.10.jpg

      Screenshot 2020-10-28 at 15.35.24.jpg
       
    19. Ben Winders
      Pensive

      Ben Winders Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic
      "Forgtin users can use a smartphone app to support them, which guides them through the first few weeks with Forgtin. The app provides tips and information and also serves as a tinnitus diary. Users can track the course of their tinnitus and find out what other factors, such as stress, emotions, jaw and neck tension also affect tinnitus. The better users know their own tinnitus, the easier it will be for them to learn to control it."

      Source: https://www.devicemed.de/medizinprodukt-lindert-beschwerden-von-tinnitus-patienten-a-971384/

      Why would we still need an app to remind us that stress / emotions and tension are still big factors in tinnitus when the device they are proposing practically should reduce tinnitus significantly according to their own data?

      Wouldn't we be able to mimic the same pressure with our fingers / acupuncture?
       
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    20. Pitseleh

      Pitseleh Member

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2007
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I guess you could, but that would mean keeping pressure all day with you fingers. Not very convenient.
       
    21. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 16 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      trauma
      As someone who has tried acupuncture and chiropractor with no positive effect, I'll wait for the clinical trials to come out. I mean if a bit of pressure behind the ears is all it took to alleviate tinnitus you'd think it would have been worked out a long time ago.
       
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    22. Ben Winders
      Pensive

      Ben Winders Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic
      Obviously not - but wouldn't that mean the tinnitus would go away if we just tried applying pressure there? Or does it only work after a couple of days of constant pressure (not at night though)?
       
    23. morgothaod

      morgothaod Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2009
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      I tried acupuncture once and it just gave me a sore ear.
       
    24. Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      I already made my mind up about this product after looking into it carefully. I emailed their team asking for studies and they asked who I was and didn't give them to me. The only thing I can say is wait until their 2021 Clinical Trial publishes results.

      This is their claimed statement on the product's efficacy:
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      I strongly advise everyone at this moment in time not to purchase this product. We will decide once they show us proper information. This company does not contain any of the hallmarks associated with most ecommerce scams. They do not use affiliate marketing, flood advertisement, propagandish video sales letters, Fiverr actors etc... so let's just wait and see how things turn out with them.
       
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    25. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      HAHA! They asked who you were before they would provide any evidence? Doesn't sit right with me...
       
    26. wwtsai
      Tired

      wwtsai Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      San Francisco
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild (2016) Bothersome (8/20)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SNHL
    27. Pitseleh

      Pitseleh Member

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2007
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
    28. wwtsai
      Tired

      wwtsai Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      San Francisco
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild (2016) Bothersome (8/20)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SNHL
      Based off the model description: "Group 2 receives no initial treatment for a duration of three months (Phase I). This Phase I is followed by a Washout period of one month and by an interventional phase (Phase II)."

      It looks like Group 2 will be receiving treatment after no intervention and washout. They don't specify how long Phase II will be but I'm assuming three months like Phase I.
       
    29. Pitseleh

      Pitseleh Member

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2007
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Ok but that doesn't solve the problem.

      Basically, the way it is done, we won't be able to know whether their device is actually doing something or if it is just the placebo effect.

      This is a joke... One year for such a study...

      What they should have done is:
      - split into two groups (blind)
      - give Group 1 the actual device.
      - give Group 2 a similar looking device, without the appropriate acupressure points.
      - get results from Group 1 and Group 2 and compare.

      This is basic science...my gosh
       
    30. GBB

      GBB Member

      Location:
      NYC
      Tinnitus Since:
      2016-2019 (Mild, Cured) 8/2020 (Severe)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Microsuction / Additional Acoustic Trauma in Close Proximity
      It's called a Lenire style study. A whole new paradigm for the sciences.
       
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