How to Get the Quietest MRI Experience?

Discussion in 'Support' started by another sean, Oct 4, 2018.

    1. another sean
      Studious

      another sean Member Benefactor Ambassador Advocate

      Location:
      Los Angeles
      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Long duration of low audio
      So I kinda need an MRI. A nerve is getting pinched causing my leg to go numb and burn. That's what I get for not leaving my home much and in a chair way too much. And I know it's been asked about before but I thought I'd ask again just in case there are any improvements out there.

      I've read the Vantage Titan is the quietest, but what I don't understand is on their website it says 57.7 dB using Pianissimo Zen Sequences (oh la la), but then this FDA article says its average weighted is a little over 100 dB. How can I get that 57.7 dB or is it BS marketing like refresh rates on TV's?

      Are there types of scans that are quieter but show less detail? It would be better than nothing.

      Also what else can I ask the facility to do to help reduce the noise inside the chamber? Like insulation maybe? Wearing a space helmet?
       
    2. Greg Sacramento

      Greg Sacramento Member Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      syringing and now somatic T dental work
      @another sean Pianissimo, I had one done. I called Canon Medical Systems for locations. They have worldwide telephone numbers. If you need assistance for a telephone number let me know.

      Less than 2dB acoustic noise increase over ambient noise. Value is 63dB. A 97% reduction in perceived loudness from the older MRI's. Wear some plugs and you will be fine. The new Vantage Galan is now 20% less in loudness.
       
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      another sean
      Studious

      another sean Member Benefactor Ambassador Advocate

      Location:
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      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Long duration of low audio
      Are you saying the Vantage Galan is quieter than the Vantage Titan?

      And do I need to ask specifically for the Pianissimo sequence? Can ear muffs fit in there since I'm not doing a head scan? My tinnitus is highly reactive. A speaker phone call can raise my baseline.

      Phone numbers would be great.
       
    4. Greg Sacramento

      Greg Sacramento Member Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      @another sean Sorry that I took so long to get back to you. I can't find the number of the guy from Canon Medical Systems that had the location list. What I did first - was to call 1 - 800 421 - 1968 and they gave me the telephone number to the location guy. I had to leave my number on an answering format, but he returned a call in minutes. He said that he does this because he gets so many prank calls.

      There's not many Pianissimo MRI's out there yet, but I believed that he mentioned some in Southern California. There's one in Northern California as of almost a year ago.

      The Galan has the same sound dB as the Pianissimo. Galan's are all over California. The Vantage Titan's have a 30% deduction, but from what I don't know. So it many be 65% - 70% dB, but it could be more.

      Since it's not a head study you can wear muffs with your plugs. Or maybe just muffs.
      Calling X rays departments are sometimes not too helpful. If it's a hospital I would ask for Quality Assurance.
       
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    5. MattS
      Relaxed

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      another sean
      Studious

      another sean Member Benefactor Ambassador Advocate

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      Long duration of low audio
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    7. Agrajag364

      Agrajag364 Member Benefactor

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      I had one lately. They let me wear foam earplugs and then a second pair of big earplugs over the top. Also agreed to minimise the number of scans needed. It wasn’t too bad. No worsening.
       
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      another sean
      Studious

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      Do you know how much of a time reduction there was when minimizing the scans? And when minimizing the scans, does that reduce the depth or length of the scan or reduce the resolution of final image?
       
    9. Ctw
      Tired

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      I have had many MRI’s. I wear silicone ear plugs, has not been a problem. It is loud in there!☹️
       
    10. Agrajag364

      Agrajag364 Member Benefactor

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      I don't, it was a very casual conversation. I also didn't want to use the gadolinium contrast, so they didn't do the second set of images that needed that. The pictures of my pelvis and abdomen came out ok. I was in there for quite a while though, I think perhaps even 40 minutes. No spike. My tinnitus is not massively noise sensitive, but I've had spikes from e.g. a loud cinema showing. But, everyone seems to be different. Deffo take extra earplugs with you.
       
    11. Agrajag364

      Agrajag364 Member Benefactor

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      I was pretty nervous when in there listening to the noise though. They are not quiet. But it was ok in the end.
       
    12. Juan

      Juan Member Hall of Fame

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      Please tell us about your experience after you have the MRI. I hope it goes well. Big hug!
       
    13. MattS
      Relaxed

      MattS Member

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      06/2019
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      It definitely wouldn't reduce image resolution. That only has to do with magnet strength (i.e. 1.5T versus 3T), which both work at the same general speed.

      It wouldn't reduce "depth" of image either, though it could mean they only imaged the most necessary component, and not a wider area around that. MRI's take snapshot pictures as the move across your body, and then those snapshots are out together like one of those animated flip books to give you the 3D image. Length could be reduced of the number of pages in the book was smaller.

      But most likely they didn't reduce it at all, as there are protocol that they have to follow for each imaged area. Likely they just said they'd only do the minimum, which was their basic package.
       
    14. Ruse
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      I wore double ear protection in mine.

      Foam earplugs PLUS earmuffs.

      Didn’t have any issues.
       
    15. Coyotesheaven
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      I'm likely to be scheduled for some kind of MRI to examine whether or not I have white matter deterioration. I consider it extremely important but can no longer pursue a normal MRI due to the inner ear damage it created the last time I went.

      I've considered doing an open MRI instead, which has a less intense field and is therefore 'significantly quieter'. While the resolution may be problematic I feel like this is the only way I don't come out totally traumatized and with more inner ear problems than I went in with.

      Has anyone here been through and open MRI and have an idea of the volume levels? Are they really not that different and just some BS the healthy providers have to say? How should I protect my hearing when using the machine?
       
    16. Coyotesheaven
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      Hello,

      Trying to get some advice from the community concerning the quietest MRI available for a brain and neck scan? I need to get one done to check for neurodegenerative changes or soft tissue damage to my neck, sinuses, and brain.

      Currently I've been told that a 1.5 Tesla MRI is pretty quiet or better than the standard 2-3 Tesla machines they use these days. It's also one of the only quieter machines accessible for me because I cannot use transit and have to walk places. Have people had positive or safe experiences with this machine?

      Anyone in this group have any tips as well on how best to protect my ears during a scan in a way that doesn't out a lot of pressure on my face and eardrums? I'm expecting to wear double protection but that can be complicated with my facial nerve inflammation and how sensitive my ears are to pressure (especially laying down).

      Thanks for the help!
       
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    17. MattR

      MattR Member

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      2014: Mild Hyperacusis 2019: More severe
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud headphones, more recently Acoustic Shock
      So I spent a lot of time searching and trying to find MRI machines that wouldn't irritate my tinnitus and ear pain.

      I ended up having a scan done on an upright MRI machine, and while unfortunately they weren't able to get the scan done in the specific area I needed, I will say it was not intensely loud. It was a Fonar brand machine.

      I only wore earplugs and not muffs, and while it was annoying, it didn't really give me any issues volume wise. It could have been a decent amount louder before I would have bothered by it. Anything around 85-90 dB starts to bother me generally.

      Hopefully this information is useful to somebody in the future.
       
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    18. Juan

      Juan Member Hall of Fame

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      There is still a lot of work to do to make MRI machines less noisy.

      Doctors try to convince patients saying MRI carries no risks... that must be why patients have to sign pages and pages of legalese before having an MRI test.
       
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    19. HopeforAll
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      HopeforAll Member

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      03/03/2020
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      Stress? Pepcid? Airplane? Delayed onset from club 12 days b4
      So I have no choice but to do a brain MRI with contrast to check for Multiple Sclerosis. Last year they found some lesions so they want to do a follow up. I

      called Armonk White Plains hospital and they said it's 110-118 dB for their "Silent MRI" machine. They said a brain scan is 45 minutes long on theirs. I bought MRI safe earmuffs but they said it's "not allowed".

      Any other options in New York? I thought big cities were supposed to have everything.
       
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    20. HopeforAll
      Curious

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      To follow up on this for anyone else. I went to Princeton Radiology Quakerbridge, New Jersey location. I had a great experience and my tinnitus is at the same level. No change since (2 weeks later). MRI is 101 dB at highest. I opted not to do with contrast because, although rare, I am afraid of toxicity. A brain MRI is 20 minutes long and they provide double protection. Foam earplugs with -29 dB headphones that will play calming music. The room is calm. I could hear the MRI but it wasn't too loud. I recommend trying your best to stay calm in order to prevent an anxiety spike. I also recommend you practice putting foam plugs in because they make you do it yourself.

      Good Luck!
       
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    21. Mr_Orange_3737

      Mr_Orange_3737 Member

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      8/2020
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      Earwax syringing removal
      I did some research on Tinnitus Talk and it seems like I've narrowed it down to the Vantage Titan, Vantage Galan, and GE Silent scan (for head scans) as the quietest MRI machines.

      Anyone know of places in Los Angeles or Orange County that has these?

      I might need to get a head scan to check for Multiple Sclerosis soon.
       
    22. HeavyMantra
      Bugridden

      HeavyMantra Member Benefactor

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      Steadily worsening since 2018
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      80 dB MRI of the hip with earplugs and muffs should be pretty safe, right? Or do I have to worry about bone conduction?
       
    23. lightning
      Amused

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      Severe tinnitus since Dec 30 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure
      Were you ever able to locate an imaging center with one of these types of MRIs?
       
    24. jpr992

      jpr992 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      I think Canon Vantage 1.5T with Pianissimo technology is the most quiet one from traditional MRIs. I was able to locate them in my country using the international customer service e-mail, which is listed on the official website.
       
    25. teacher34

      teacher34 Member

      Location:
      Texas
      Tinnitus Since:
      7/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Prescription megadose ibuprofin combined with noise exposure
      Has anyone had an MRI in a Toshiba Galan and can tell me where to go to get that machine, which is supposed to be the quietest?

      Calling Toshiba/Canon is pointless - I've tried & they won't tell where the machines are as they say it's a liability issue. Doctors are also clueless.
       
    26. Darktale

      Darktale Member

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      France
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      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Accoustic Trauma
      I had an MRI session last winter. It was for the hand and you are in a "Superman" position with the hand above your head directly in the tunnel meaning your head is fully in the middle of the MRI tunnel.

      I contacted the MRI Market Director of Canon through LinkedIn and he was kind enough to answer me with the locations near Paris in France which are equipped with Canon Orian 1.5T device.

      He confirmed to me that any musculoskeletal MRI exam on the Canon Orian (new name of Toshiba Vantage Titan) does not exceed 85 dB which is why it is no longer legally mandatory to supply hearing protection for the center (in France legislation threshold is 85 dB).

      However, I used Earsoft FX earplugs + a special MRI headset with no metal on top of that.

      The exam seemed still loud to me (especially some sequences looking like jackhammer) but it was mainly due to my fear and anxiety rather than the noise level itself.

      At the end nothing to report on my hyperacusis or my tinnitus.

      FYI a friend of mine who did both an MRI with a Siemens 1.5T Area and later on a Canon Orian 1.5T confirmed the Canon is far quieter...

      Now I will only do MRI on Canon device.
       
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    27. Alan P
      Bookworm

      Alan P Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure
      Hi there! I’m looking for a quiet MRI machine in the Los Angeles or Southern California area.

      I called Canon and they were unwilling to give information for liability reasons. Maybe they changed their policy? Did anyone have luck?

      I’ve spent a few hours today calling and searching around.

      Thanks so much!

      AP
       
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