Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Hannover clinic launched.

€1900 for the device + undisclosed additional costs for the appointments.

 

Just got this e-mail from Neuromod! Go on, German friends!

 

Lenire® Now Available in Hannover, Germany.

Neuromod Devices Limited, the Irish medical technology company specialising in non-invasive neuromodulation technologies, is delighted to provide an update on the availability of Lenire®. The first location to fit Lenire® outside of Ireland, HörSys GmbH in Hannover, Germany, is now accepting requests for appointments in 2020.

Based within the German Hearing Center (Deutsches HörZentrum, DHZ) at the Hannover Medical School (Medizinische Hochschule Hannover, MHH), HörSys is a specialist in cochlear implant technology and hearing care. Information about how to request an appointment at HörSys is provided below.

For more information on HörSys, Deutsches HörZentrum (DHZ) or Medizinische Hochschule Hannover (MHH) please visit the links below.

Hörsys GmbH: www.hoersys.de
Deutsches HörZentrum (DHZ): www.hoerzentrum-hannover.de/
Medizinische Hochschule Hannover (MHH): www.mhh.de/

How do I make an appointment with HörSys or an otolaryngologist in the German Hearing Center (DHZ)?
To request an appointment you can email info@hoersys.de. They will then help you organise an appointment with an otolaryngologist in the German Hearing Center (Deutsches HörZentrum, DHZ). If the otolaryngologist recommends Lenire® as the most appropriate treatment for your tinnitus, you can then arrange an appointment directly with HörSys to start your treatment with Lenire® .

Is Lenire® recommended for everyone who attends a visit with HörSys or an otolaryngologist?
No. An otolaryngologist experienced in the treatment of tinnitus will conduct a detailed assessment to determine the most appropriate treatment for each patient. Depending on the nature of the tinnitus experienced as well as the wider health status of the patient, other treatments may be more appropriate.

Will I get the Lenire® device at my first visit with HörSys?
No, the purpose of your first visit to HörSys is to provide you with all the information you need to determine if you want to proceed with treatment with Lenire®.

How much will the Lenire® treatment cost in Germany?
The price of the Lenire® device in Germany is €1900. This price does not include your appointments in the German Hearing Center and/or HörSys. Prices for consultations can be discussed at the time of booking.

Do I have to attend all visits?
It is highly recommended that you are available and prepared to attend all recommended visits. Experience with Lenire® indicates that the best results can be obtained when stimulus settings on the device are adjusted during treatment. Adjustment can only be carried out by a trained clinician.

 

Sorry for the late reply! Been quite busy... but mine is for the 5th of March. I think I want to give it another year before considering, in case I get even more improvement. I need to respond today though or they will cancel my appointment, so maybe I can reply and say I know someone who would be willing to take my appointment, and just ask them to queue me for the next available one? That should put me on the list for 2021 perhaps.

 

@AliceW reported that Neuromod is increasing appointments to five times a week. Only one a day? I know it's a small company but how many appointments they normally have a week?

 

That means they are open five days a week now, and each day consists of multiple appointments. Duh... The stupidity of people.

 

From Mento's Report (which is so far similar to Allan1967's):

I am having an anxiety attack about the possibility that, whenever Lenire is available in Chicago, for the modest sum of $2,500.00 - $3,000.00 I might be subjected to an aggravation that resembles "a herd of angry crickets."

After 6 years I cannot countenance the possibility of such an exacerbation unless it was practically guaranteed that this would only be temporary and part of the process of final reduction.

 

Dear friends. I fully understand that there is no one here really able to answer my question, but I'm seriously thinking to call HörSys in Hannover and ask If they would accept me instantly as a person that has been already assesed and accepted by Neuromod (Caroline) in Ireland.

I'm wondering if Neuromod Devices/Medical in Ireland is able and willing to refer me or confirm by any communication channel they have that I'm good to go and possibly no further examination or costs are required as of now.

 

I've got to give them credit. Regardless of the efficacy of the device they are expanding availability as promised.

Putting his Thin Lizzy cover band on the back burner appears to have paid off for Dr. O'Neill.

 

They actually have said temporary worsening is common, especially in the early weeks, and that all of the worsenings were temporary. Fluctuations sound better than only worsening in the early weeks as some have reported.

 

Just saw this explanation of how Lenire works in an article. At least I now have a simpleton's narrative that I can get my head around.


"The mouthpiece delivers electrical pulses to the trigeminal nerve – this is the nerve responsible for the feeling in your face – which is synchronised with various sounds from the headphones.

Your brain recognises sounds made by the trigeminal nerve, such as your own voice or chewing, and regulates the sound volume so that is not too loud for you.

Lenire attempts to bring the volume of tinnitus sounds down in a similar way; by pairing various sounds within the tinnitus band through the stimulation of the trigeminal nerve, it will, in a way, ‘fool’ the brain."

 

This is not coextensive with the explanation that Dr. O'Neill proposed in the original Tinnitus Talk interview (he said then that Lenire may soothe tinnitus by providing neuronal stimulation initially deprived by a hearing loss), but it is certainly interesting. Could you provide a link to this article?

 

https://fora.ie/neuromod-ross-oneill-tinnitus-4929648-Dec2019/

 

@Liz Windsor

Hi Liz,

Just wanted to ask if you continued to use Lenire after the initial 12 week period and if so have you noticed any improvement?

Thanks.

 

I'm with you. But the anxiety should be about whether or not to decide to use it when you are in a position to do so, like what I was faced with in having my November appointment in Ireland. The decision on whether to fly or not fly was making smoke come out of my ears. In hindsight I feel pretty good about the decision to wait and see. Even without the two "disimprovers", there is also a simple cost-benefit assessment to make. We really need to see more unambiguous success stories start emerging.

By the time Lenire is available in the US there will be a lot more user data. The fog should start to clear up and we'll get a truer picture of what this thing really does. Wait and see. I am also hoping that when the time comes that even if I make the judgment call to pass on Lenire that we will get a more concrete picture of when Susan Shore or Minnesota's device might come out so I could just shift my hope over to those and reset my countdown clock.

 

Hi there. Yes I am still using it as recommended. 12 weeks isn't the end of the treatment, just the length of time they ran the trial.

I'm at about 16 weeks now. I do feel there are subtle improvements.. I'm certainly no worse and no longer wear hearing aids for tinnitus as felt they were interfering with my ability to judge the impact of the Lenire treatment. I believe it took several weeks to get used to not wearing them as I had used hearing aids for seven years. The fact that I can cope without them is a big benefit. My sleep is not so disturbed either. As I say, just my own, subjective experience... not anything dramatic but heading in the right direction I believe!

Hope that's of some use!

Kind regards,
Liz

 

I hope the wait time for the device begins to decrease now that the clinic is open 5 days a week.

Last I heard from Neuromod, they are still looking at about a six week wait time.

 

Hi Liz,

Thanks for getting back to me. Glad to hear it’s having a positive impact for you.

Best,
Phi

 

Come live in Ireland. That in itself is a treatment. Best country on earth by a huge margin. Nothing touches it for quality of life. Live life with humour and try not to take life seriously.

Since I got this affliction I take nothing seriously. Trying to live life to the full every single day. My daughter was 13 when I got this damned thing and she is in university now and about to leave home and start her life. I am so glad I continued for her. My son is 9 and I’ll try my best to hang around for him. My wife has lost interest in me many years ago. That’s life. She couldn’t care less about my plight.

I somehow live life without caring about my own condition. Focusing on others is key for me. I no longer care about my future.

I don’t know what to think about this Lenire treatment. Think I’ll continue as I am for as long as I can.

All my love and respect guys this is a tough station to be sure. We were dealt a terrible hand.

All the best.

Your Irish pal,
Robert

 

@RCP1, are you doing better with Lenire? Or maybe you haven’t tried it or met the criteria? I guess the company is literally in your backyard. And I believe you tried TRT also, so you would be a great reference. Thanks for any reply.

 

Has anyone applied in Germany yet? I’m wondering if I should try to switch. The thought of waiting 6 more months or so to get seen in Dublin kinda sucks...

 

I have had a huge cold for 3 days... (probably due to the storm that there was on the day of my appointment in Ireland ...)

It is bad with my start of Lenire treatment! I still continue my sessions normally in the morning and evening, I am 5 days in and I hope it works anyway...

Someone here knows if Lenire can be used when sick and if there is still a benefit to be gained?

 

As happy as I am for our German friends I'm starting to get the feeling (ok, I've been feeling this way for a couple of weeks now) that this isn't it.

Thankfully no one's been messed up worse than they were, but at the same time there are way too many people reporting no effect at all. For $2500 USD (assuming they will be available in the US) this is hard for me to justify.

I know there was one person reporting being cured by the device from trials but that was one out of... how many again?

Understand I am the last person to suggest habituation as a treatment, because it isn't one, but I am still very doubtful of the effectiveness of this.

 

Many thanks to Liz Windsor for her report.

However, should I interpret your comment "I do feel there are subtle improvements" as a species of placebo-talk? (which is exactly how I tried to justify my attempts with Desyncra).

This comment is not meant to disparage you in the slightest, Liz if in fact you are glad you
underwent this (and since after 6 years I will try anything, I would probably undergo this if it was available in Chicago; after all, subtle improvements are better than none).

However, I am requesting that you elaborate just a little bit further regarding what these improvements consisted of (so I may have further grounds for hope).

 

I applied on Tuesday, haven’t gotten a reply yet.

 

Lenire has helped me quite a bit. I've had some ups and downs but would say I've had a 30-50% reduction depending on the day. The intensity is different now, doesn't feel like it's splitting my head in half.

I also had really bad ear spasms which have 95% gone now.

I've lost count on what week I'm on now, I sometimes miss a day or two and go back to it, some days I just do one session.

 

Ok, Dave from Chicago!

The reason I haven't updated the Lenire User Experiences & Reviews thread is because unless and until I can say, with absolute, definite, concrete, quantifiable certainty, that I have an improvement using Lenire and what, and how much, that improvement consists of, I am preferring to wait. I previously said I personally think this is a longer term treatment. If your tinnitus has been around six years and mine is a similar length of time, I don't think it will necessarily respond in a few weeks.

The improvements I notice, although subtle, include better sleep and a 'thinner' tinnitus sound, not so all-encompassing and overwhelming.

That's really all I can say about it currently as I don't want to exaggerate any perceived benefits. I'd rather err on the side of caution. We all know the behaviour of our own tinnitus and how it behaves. Mine is starting to change.

Sorry I can't be more specific!

Take care.

Liz

 

I just sent them an email today.

Did you initially have an appointment at the Dublin location as well?

 

Man that's great to hear you're having further benefits, especially at that quantity.

I recently participated in a clinical trial and it made worse, so this really gives me more hope for Lenire as my appointment is coming up.

 

Good luck mate, hopefully you'll get good results, expect some ups and downs and fluctuations and keep going after 12 weeks.