MSG — Monosodium Glutamate

Discussion in 'Support' started by Louise, Mar 23, 2013.

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    1. Louise

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    2. calin
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      Wow! Good find Louise!

      I have avoided some of those listed as I identified a possibility that some of those ingredients spiked the T before seeing this list. This validates my suspicions.

      I guess it is best of we pay attention to ingredients in packaging and then notice what happens when ingested... to get a feel for which one's increase the T.
       
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    3. Louise

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      Thanks Calin :)

      I am going to have to take a printed copy of this around with me when shopping!
       
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    4. calin
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      Funny... I was thinking the same!!!
       
    5. calin
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      I am wondering if this should be in another category... like research. Maybe when a staff member comes along they will decide.

      I find that it is important everyone with T knows about!!

      It is supportive, but these are known neurotoxins.
       
    6. Louise

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      Well I did wonder which category to put it in but I thought research might not be quite right? But then Support isnt quite right either. People should know though for sure.

      I shall let the Moderators move it along as they see fit! :)
       
    7. Petloy
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      I have this printed out too. I've been avoiding food items with ingredients found in the list and My T has been controlled ever since (I started December 2012)!! My T reacts badly to MSG.
       
    8. Paul D
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      Thanks Louise. I printed down the list, then did a little web surfing on glutamic acid. How can one possibly avoid even half of the items on the list in everyday food consumption? We've tried to limit processed food consumption for quite some time, but even that can be difficult in our ready-made, get it quick and easy world. Not many people prepare foods entirely from scratch anymore like our parents and grandparents did.
       
    9. Louise

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      I know Paul, but prepare from scratch we have to do! I think once we put our mind to it and plan food out for a week its easier.

      Do you know that Gluten forms Glumatic Acid too? I avoid Gluten, which I was doing anyway before T.
       
    10. calin
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      Probably best to use organic foods. They don't use chemicals and such even when it is a "processed" type thing.
       
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    11. click
      Busy

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      If you can do it Paul it really does make a massive difference. It also gives us an element of control over something we seem to be able to do very little about. That control feels really good.
       
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    12. Paul D
      Balanced

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      I printed it out so I could give it a second look later on this week. Though I don't know if I/we can muster the perseverance it would take to watch all those items on a daily basis. I do know that since really trying to eat healthier the last few years, limiting processed foods and avoiding all but the occasional junk food meal, both my and my wife's health have improved considerably. We rarely ever get sick anymore, not even the common cold.
       
    13. calin
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      High five!!
       
    14. Louise

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      :)

      I feel more inspired to eat better myself now. I'm not bad on the whole but could do a lot better. I need to cut out the evening glass or two of wine as well. That will be a blow as its my 'treat'. I'll substitute with some water with fresh lemon juice and ice-cubes in. Fool the brain into thinking its Sauvignon Blanc :) :)
       
    15. click
      Busy

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      Try making up rosehip tea (clipper organic is good) with a teaspoon of manuka honey (s'posed ot be good for a whole host of things) - let it go cold and then pour that over ice - 'tis good with home juiced pomegranate too :) Also the ginger clipper tea works well with this...
       
    16. Louise

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      Mmmm, I like that sound of that first one and especially with home juiced Pomegranite. Brain might think its Rose :)
       
    17. Petloy
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      Hi, 4 days ago I just woke up with my T blaring, and it seems to be all over my head I usually get this type when I know I ate something really bad, the only thing I did differently was 2 days prior to friday, I've been eating or shall I say been making chicken sandwich with a lot of mayo (Hellman's), OR IT COULD BE THE MMR shot I had last Sept 27?? but my concern now it's been almost 4 days and my T is not letting up...from a high pitch white noise it's now like a dentist drill/jet engine waiting to take off. And It has woken me up in the middle of the night (which from my experience it's not a good thing since I've been sleeping regularly for months now). I just need some words of encouragement...sorry for venting.
       
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    18. Petloy
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      So I took Lorazepam 0.5 mg which usually calms my T, That's when i realized I have a new sound which seems to be in the middle of my head. My old baseline T quieted down, BUT I AM SCARED THAT WHEN THE LORAZEPAM WEARS OFF AND MY OLD T SOUNDS COME BACK....THEN IT WILL BECOME UNBEARABLE....HELP ME!
       
    19. LadyDi
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      Yikes so sorry you are going through this. Try to calm yourself with meditation, positive self statements (this is just a new sound, my tinnitus is really annoying right now but it will pass, I look forward to my reaction to this tinnitus passing), exercise and distraction. The fear of its return is making you hypersensitive to the sound. Oh and mask the bejeezus out of it, sound enrichment everywhere you go. And use your lorazepam to get you over the hump.

      Refuse to let T rule your life but respect, for right now, you need to do a lot of self care. Hang in there. We all care about you and yes, this will pass.
       
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    20. Petloy
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      Thanks Lady, I thought that after a year I am getting used to my T, then this new sound, it feels like I'm back to square one.
       
    21. jazz
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      @Petloy @LadyDi gave you good advice. I know your a very scared, but this is the worst thing you can do for your tinnitus. Part of tinnitus feeds off negative emotions so all your fears will magnify the noise and make you more aware of any variations in tone, location, or loudness.

      I have read hundreds of people with spikes and they are almost always temporary. And spikes can last more than one day. Recently, I read about a spike lasting a month then the return to baseline. I really don't believe mayo or a vaccination can do permanent damage to your tinnitus. You might try some supplements, like magnesium and zinc, to help your brain. Both supplements are calming. Just watch the dosage. I take 200 mg magnesium glycinate one or twice daily. Fifteen mg of chelated zinc once daily is also useful. (Zinc can be toxic above 40 mg; and 15 mg is a nice dose.)

      So remember you've been through this before and you will get better. You should come here to vent, but then let it go! Don't dwell on your noise; keep telling yourself something like "this is no big deal;" "this will go away," "I'll be fine," etc. :)
       
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    22. Markku
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      I really don't think it's the MMR shot considering the amount of time passed. Nor do I think that the mayo caused a permanent change.

      You'll be fine Petloy, as jazz said spikes aren't always a one-day deal.

      Try to hang in there and take it one day at a time. You're strong, you'll beat this one.

      Markku
       
    23. Petloy
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      JUST an UPDATE:

      So I took Lorazepam 0.5 last monday and my T went down for 2 days, now wednesday it's back to the very high T which started last Friday, so I'm quite sure it's not the Mayo, so I'm prepared to accept that this might be a permanent increase, so I'm not taking Lorazepam anymore but will try Melatonin to help me at night when the noise is more noticeable...I can habituate to this increase again as I've done 3 times during the last year...wish me luck with the Melatonin!!
       
    24. Markku
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      No no no. Why an increase again? Wish I had the answer to that. Don't consider it a permanent increase just yet. Having to suffer from three increases within a year is just horrible. I feel very empathetic to you. I hope it's still going to resolve and doesn't end up being the fourth.

      But the "I can" attitude is so important! Even if it was a permanent increase, you are already winning with that attitude! Whatever happens, you'll persevere!

      Here's a hug for you: :huganimation:
       
    25. J-rod
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      Rather than make a new thread on MSG I'll just post this here. I was reading about MSG, once again, and looking for a counter agent.

      Ran into this website here. http://letsgohealthy.blogspot.com/2012/12/msg-allergy-symptoms-and-how-to-treat-it.html

      "Cream of Tartar. Keep a small container of cream of tartar nearby. When mixed with water, cream of tartar will immediately neutralize MSG poisoning, relieving most symptoms. Cream of tartar creates an alkaline-forming environment when ingested, raising the blood pH and stabilizing the system. Mix 1/2 teaspoon in eight oz. of water and drink, or sprinkle some in a small bottle of water, shake and drink."
      Has anyone tried this to see if it helps with their Tinnitus and MSG? Another question, Cream of Tartar is Potassium bitartrate, and just to be clear I take losartan hctz for high blood pressure. So is it safe to take Cream of Tartar under these conditions? Losartan increases potassium levels while HCTZ reduces potassium levels.

      In the medication booklet it says, "Losartan may increase levels of blood potassium which can lead to serious heart problems (arrhythmias). Therefore, concomitant use of other substances that increase blood potassium-such as potassium-sparing diuretics (for example, spironolactone (Aldactone), triamterene, and amiloride), potassium supplements, or salt substitutes containing potassium may lead to dangerous increases in serum potassium."

      I also found this website, and perhaps answered my own question.
      http://www.livestrong.com/article/269198-side-effects-of-consuming-cream-of-tartar/

      "People who take potassium-sparing diuretics such as aldactone and dyazide, beta-blocker drugs such as propranolol and lopressor, and ACE inhibitor medications such as vasotec and lisinopril, can develop high serum potassium levels, or hyperkalemia, while taking cream of tartar."
       
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    26. Lisa88

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      11/2013
      Thanks for this list @Louise
      My heart is breaking a little bit about the low fat milk and balsamic vinegar.
       
    27. J-rod
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      The page says, "suspected of containing or creating sufficient processed free glutamic acid". I'm not so sure about that, but regular balsamic vinegar contains Sulfites. If you react to MSG, then try organic balsamic vinegar and make sure it doesn't contain sulfites.

      As for Milk, some would say as adults we shouldn't drink it. I don't have a problem drinking organic whole milk that I know of at least.
       
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    28. Lisa88

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      An no ... citrate? So Magnesium citrate, calcium citrate ... no good? Both seem to be very calming for me. Oi.
       
    29. J-rod
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      Scary just how far down the rabbit hole goes sometimes Lisa88. I guess it depends if the citrate is from citrus or corn. Might be worth trying another type of Magnesium just to be on the safe side. I can't imagine trace amounts of free glutamic acids to be enough to trigger Tinnitus, then again who knows...
       
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    30. Shawk

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      It's in many, many foods and has numerous names to fool the consumer and has been linked to a great number of illnesses including tinnitus.
       

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