My Tinnitus Might Have Been Caused by the Tympanometry Test

Discussion in 'Support' started by Bill Bauer, Jul 5, 2018.

    1. Emperor-Drax

      Emperor-Drax Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/06/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud bang on metal with a mallet
      Right now, it's quiet, just some birds chirping outside... and my T is completely absent. It's amazing. And I'm looking for it too. But it'll come back in a few minutes.
       
    2. GregCA
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      GregCA Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      Not that I disagree with the point you are making, but you'd be surprised (like I was) to learn how few cochlear hair cells we have:
      "The human cochlea contains on the order of 3,500inner hair cells and 12,000 outer hair cells at birth."
      (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cell )

      It's not that many actually... we could count them all one by one in a single day!
      Before I got educated on the actual amount, I too was off by several orders of magnitude (fooled by other organs in our bodies).
       
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    3. kelpiemsp
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      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      Dang. I hoped it was like brain cells and booze!
       
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    4. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      Have you done enough damage to cause life-changing T? Maybe...
       
    5. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      My guess is that you are going to heal, and it will most likely happen before your appointment in October.
       
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    6. Emperor-Drax

      Emperor-Drax Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/06/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud bang on metal with a mallet
      If it does, I'll buy you any drink of your choice!

      I wonder if the Ginkgo tablets I'm taking have anything to do with it?
       
    7. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      I used to enjoy cream liquor (e.g., Advocate liquor) (and that is the only type of alcoholic beverage that I like), but then I discovered that it seems to spike my T...
      Keep doing what you have been doing (and not doing what you have not been doing), as it seems to be working.
       
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    8. Gman
      No Mood

      Gman Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
      Whether it’s microsuction, tympanometry, or LDL testing or MRIs, audiologists and ENTs did nothing but worsen my issues. They certainly worsened my hyperacusis and terrible tensor tympani problems.
      For suspected acoustic trauma or acoustic shock disorder (whatever you want to call it), these tests should not be done!

      It’s not necessarily hair cell damage they cause (although this can’t be ruled out), but they can compound other problems and they do not care.

      These can in turn make tinnitus worse, whether temporarily, an extended duration or permanently. I wish I had known more before I sought “professional” help. My fault for not having a medical degree prior to getting these conditions.
       
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    9. dpdx
      Disappointed

      dpdx Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Murica
      Tinnitus Since:
      Onset:09/23/2017 Worsened: 1/17/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma, worsened by caloric test/VEMP test 90db nhL
      Still loud enough to cause damage.
       
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    10. dpdx
      Disappointed

      dpdx Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Murica
      Tinnitus Since:
      Onset:09/23/2017 Worsened: 1/17/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma, worsened by caloric test/VEMP test 90db nhL
      I am sure they know that they can cause tinnitus to be worse. THey just dont care...they are there for their big fat check, they dont care about your life or your well being, if they make it worse they will just say oh go do TRT. Like I was told. When I had MILD T they were all over me trying to make me do ear tests and telling me to do TRT. After it increased (they got their wish) they then asked me if I have enough money for TRT, that might help me get back on track to where I was. its sick completely.....ENTS are sick people.
       
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    11. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      They wouldn't want to expose themselves to a lawsuit...
       
    12. dpdx
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      dpdx Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Murica
      Tinnitus Since:
      Onset:09/23/2017 Worsened: 1/17/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma, worsened by caloric test/VEMP test 90db nhL
      Look man if you have a patient who broke their leg you wouldnt tell them to go running with it or doing something that will not allow it to hear properly. Audiologists/ENTs need to use their minds a little bit, inserting 115db sound into an ear of a person who has hearing damage is not a good idea, its really common sense hell you dont even need any degree for that.
       
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    13. Gman
      No Mood

      Gman Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
      This is absolutely true. Couldn’t agree more. They’re covered with medical insurance so good luck to anyone trying to sue them. You would need deep pockets and a great lawyer to try and prove they caused or worsened a mostly subjective condition. Stupid nitwits. I can’t express how much I loathe these morons.
       
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    14. CricketEars

      CricketEars Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2003
      From what I understand and have experience, T and hearing loss can take a while to show up after trauma (delayed). Perhaps that's what happened? But who knows, the medical system is pretty messed up these days imo
       
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    15. Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      What are you being seen for? I had an ENT appointment and while it wasn't awful and my doctor was nice I definitely wouldn't consider it worth the copay.
       
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    16. Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      When I heard that you got your tinnitus from a toothbrush, I always thought it was strange and considered it "not the real reason Bill Bauer has tinnitus." Battery powered toothbrushes aren't that loud unless you managed to buy one that was really do noisy? Although, since hearing damage builds up over time it is likely that you were exposed to something that you just don't remember.

      For example, two years before I developed tinnitus I was in a car crash where an airbag was deployed. So I have no doubt that while it didn't directly caused it that it must have played a big part.

      Your case does seem very strange. An electronic toothbrush very briefly entering your ear canal shouldn't deal enough damage to cause tinnitus. I would honestly be more suspectful of the test but tinnitus seems to develop several days after the incident.
       
    17. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      The brush came into contact with the opening of my ear canal (as opposed to my mouth).
      It immediately caused ear fullness that took months to completely resolve.

      During those first days, I performed that Valsalva maneuver, so that might have been the cause...
       
    18. dpdx
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      dpdx Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Murica
      Tinnitus Since:
      Onset:09/23/2017 Worsened: 1/17/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma, worsened by caloric test/VEMP test 90db nhL
      Stuff is not supposed to go into the ears. I think the toothbrush and tympanometry caused your T.
       
    19. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      I also did a lot of Valsalva maneuvers before T showed up. I think it's pretty common to do that when your ears feel clogged, as you feel it's a tool that you may be able to use to unclog your ear, but I wonder if that can be particularly damaging to the middle ear/cochlea interface.
      Perhaps that's one reason why my otosclerosis is so "unheard of" (no pun intended).
       
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    20. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      For how many days had you been doing it?
       
    21. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      :(
       
    22. GregCA
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      GregCA Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      A bit over a month!
       
    23. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      :(
       
    24. cspc
      Studious

      cspc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      @Bill Bauer You had ear fullness after your acoustic trauma which already caused increased pressure in your ear + tympanometry ( ~75 db) = in your ear the sound was around 85 - 90 db due to the increased pressure in your ear. I think it's possible for tympanometry to cause an acoustic trauma if you have an acoustic trauma or ear pressure issues. It happened to me to get an acoustic trauma after the tympanometry test trice (in March, in April and in July) because I already had increased ear pressure in my ears (the most on the ear that had the most acoustic traumas). Any sound > 85 db can cause an acoustic trauma if you have ear pressure issues.
       
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    25. cspc
      Studious

      cspc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      The problem is that even ents and doctors advise you to do the valsalva maneuver to "open" your ears. I did it too for some days to "open" my ears.
       
    26. cspc
      Studious

      cspc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
    27. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SSHL from virus
      Why would increased ear pressure increase sounds by 10 to 15dB? That is a significant increase given how decibels actually work, something akin to 10 times louder.

      If increased pressure is proven to make sounds 10-15dB louder than we have likely uncovered the cause of hyperacusis for many people.

      Do you have a link? I would like to read more on this; especially since most people I know with ear pressure actually had muted hearing.
       
    28. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
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    29. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      That's the thing, all of the sounds that I remember being exposed to during the test were very quiet. I have no idea how to explain any of it.
      How loud did tympanometry test seem to you?
      Same here!
       
    30. cspc
      Studious

      cspc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      The tympanometry was loud (I read somewhere that the tympanometer emits sounds 85db max) but it wasn't too loud. The other tympanometries I did after this one where a bit louder but I guess it was due to the increased pressure in my ears. The night after the tympanograms and the audiograms I could hear various sounds from the tests which suggests that a little damage was done during them but it was due to the increased ear pressure. So far no ent can explain what causes the increased ear pressure. I went to 4. The first told it was TMJ. The second told it was an acoustic trauma. The last 2 told me that I had something wrong structurally with my ETs but nothing wrong was found in the CT scan.

      I suspect that I have some kind of eustachian tube problem where my eustachian tube stays closed when it shouldn't and sometimes it stays open when it shouldn't (I guess it's due to allergies, previous infections that I had such as otitis and tonsillitis and colds, it can be from weight loss (I lost 16 kg in a year), worsening of my tmj because I had been chewing gum, eating pork chops, nuts and accidentaly chewing on hard food pieces without knowing, also it can be from my female hormones that are a little crazy this year.

      From February, I have a weird recurrent pharyngitis and tonsillitis which radiates to my ears.
       
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