My Trip to Bangkok: Stem Cell Treatment [Comments]

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Markku, Aug 18, 2013.

    1. bobthebuilder
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      bobthebuilder Member Benefactor

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      amitriptyline, hidden hearing loss, whiplash (?), stress (?)
      Actually got it done through a friend of a friend in Mexico who is not a stem cell doctor - but they sourced the stem cells from www.cryovidastemcells.com and had them shipped in overnight. This lab seems to supply MSCs to many doctors and clinics all around Mexico (e.g., see this article https://focusonmexico.com/inside-look-lakeside-stem-cell-treatment-chapalamed/).

      A glass vial of 100M cells from them arrived in a frozen styrofoam box and was just dripped into a regular IV over the course of 20 minutes.

      This is my first try with stem cells - been planning to go to StemCells21 for a while now, but heard about this in Mexico recently through a friend, and figured worth a shot in case it works before spending that much money in Thailand.

      Will post an update in a month or two.
       
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    2. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      It would be great to hear how you are again in the future. Some people in this thread took 8-12 months to really see good improvement.

      It's hard to know how much improvement was due to the stem cells or just time too. Although some people had hearing issues for many years and got better soon after stem cell treatment.
       
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    3. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      What hearing problems do you have? Hearing loss/tinnitus/pain hyperacusis and/or loudness hyperacusis?

      From the very few anecdotal bits I've read I found that hyperacusis can be best healed (somewhat) with stem cells as apposed to tinnitus or hearing loss but then it also heals naturally better than the others too.

      What kind of stem cells did you get and how many? Also, what was the method of administration? IV?

      Sorry for all the questions but it helps us a lot if you could answer, thanks.

      I have several sports injuries I would be happy to have fixed by stem cells even if it doesn't help my hyperacusis or tinnitus. Really only want the pain hyperacusis to get better. I'm habituating to the tinnitus even though it's still extremely loud.
       
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    4. VTae

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      Hey guys, I think I'm doing stem cell treatment. From all I've researched, seems like it is a very harmless treatment that can have good health outcomes regardless of the tinnitus, so, why not.

      But I'm not confident on StemCells21 being legit. The Energetic Scan thing is ridiculous. They look and sound really sketchy and scammy overall.

      Is there any way to make sure they're treating me with actual mesenchymal stem cells, and not just injecting vitamins?

      Off-topic: is there any way to download this thread whole? I'd like to process it with GPT-3 to find and summarize these reports.
       
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    5. KotaDomowa
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      KotaDomowa Member

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      "Energetic scan" - that's the only thing that gives me serious doubts about StemCells21.
       
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    6. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      The best thing you can go off is talking to people who went to the clinics. StemCells21 seems like one of the more legit ones really. 3 or 4 people reported about going there in this thread.

      Some clinics that don't look like scams, are actually scams. I wouldn't base my assessment of them on the style of their website. Ask the clinics if you can contact any of their patients for feedback.
       
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    7. BadNeighbors

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      Tinnitus Since:
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      loud noise/construction
      I'm curious to hear how this plays out.

      I've read a few studies that showed that stem cells provided positive results for animals. Why aren't there more studies on treating humans for tinnitus with stem cells?

      Also, what worries me are the FDA warnings about stem cell treatments in general.

      "The only stem cell-based products that are FDA-approved for use in the United States consist of blood-forming stem cells (hematopoietic progenitor cells) derived from cord blood.

      These products are approved for limited use in patients with disorders that affect the body system that is involved in the production of blood (called the “hematopoietic” system)."​
       
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    8. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      There was a court case recently in California where the judge ruled in favor of letting a clinic use adipose stem cells that were expanded.

      Some clinics claim to use umbilical cord stem cells in the US which is not allowed by the FDA so it's hard to know if they are legit or not.

      As to why there's not much research. It's down to funding. Who's going to pay for the funding?

      No individual investor will fund it since you can't patent it so there's no financial incentive.

      Plus, big pharma are lobbying hard against it because stem cells are a huge threat to their business.
       
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