Why It's Not Helpful to Tell People "You're Lucky Your Tinnitus/Hyperacusis Isn't Worse."

Discussion in 'Support' started by Red, Oct 7, 2018.

    1. jasonbourne

      jasonbourne Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise
      ok good, keep the balance up.
       
    2. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      It's taken a lot of posts to find out you agree with Coffee Girl and me.

      To stop dominating this thread. You've made your case.
       
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    3. jasonbourne

      jasonbourne Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise
      Cool maybe I misunderstood. Good luck.
       
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    4. Lane

      Lane Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
      Hi @Emperor-Drax

      A few days ago, I got an upper cervical adjustment to my C1 vertebra (called AtlasProfilax). It's led to a significant lessening of my own intermittent ear pain. It's also positively impacted my Eustacian Tube dysfunction.

      I recently got a home mHBOT unit, and my ears were having significant problems adjusting to the changing pressures. Those problems went away after my neck adjustment. I don't think the AtlasProfilax is the only technique that might help. I'm guessing other upper cervical adjustments could likely help as well. Although I am partial to the AP. -- Best!
       
    5. Layla23
      Bookworm

      Layla23 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bars/nightclubs/MRI
      I strongly feel like the advice on these forums ruined my life.

      I was always a passive person so when I read veterans posting things like “it gets better and don’t over protect” I listened because I didn’t have the guts to listen to my own intuition. That’s what a passive person does....they don’t have enough confidence in themselves to trust themselves. They seek external advice/opinions for everything. My tinnitus was no exception. I trusted the opinions of others more than my own.

      My mild T turned into reactive tinnitus from hell, H, visual snow, and palipnosia. All from acoustic traumas. I don’t have Lyme, I don’t have MS, and I don’t have cancer.

      I’m only 23.

      I agree it’s crucical to not over protect your ears but I feel like that information was irresponsibly misconstrued on these sites. If your ears are damaged you should not follow the normal noise guidelines people with healthy ears follow. Genetically speaking as well, your ears are probably also not as strong as others and should have followed a lower decibel guideline to begin with.


      I don’t advocate living like a hermit either. Or living in fear. But it’s irresponsible the way some of you claim “X noise levels can’t hurt you”. Everyone is different.


      BALANCE is key. LISTEN to your body.


      P.S. I will add that you can always improve too. But not becoming complacent to noise is key (in my opinion).
       
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    6. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      What did you do that made your tinnitus worse?
       
    7. Telis

      Telis Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Drugs barotrauma
      I think you can improve, I had major improvements after 4.5 years, I thought I was done here at TT forever until a recent noise trauma. Now I’m back unfortunately. I have to believe I will get better, if I thought it would stay at this level forever, I would off myself right now, there is no getting used to this. I’m not except from noise torture, I’m only human. People get better all the time, not habituate, but see improvements, its very common. Your tinnitus should get to a manageable level over time, mine was still very annoying after the reduction, still loud by most people’s standards I’m sure, could easily hear it all the time but I could get through the day alright, hoping and believing this will happen again.
       
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    8. Layla23
      Bookworm

      Layla23 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bars/nightclubs/MRI
      @Red

      Long long long story.


      And you can get better. Not even just habituation but actually get better.

      But if you’re not careful and become complacent you can also get so much worse.

      That’s the point I want to get across. And that for me personally I don’t expose myself to constant sounds louder than 70 decibels except when I’m in the shower.
       
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    9. Lane

      Lane Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
      Thanks @Layla23 for stating that so explicitly--something that I feel should be stated more consistently on this forum. I've felt the same as you about this, but don't believe I've ever spoken out against it against those that argue so vociferously against "over protection", and "living in fear".

      @Bill Bauer mentions this often, but is usually shot down for his overly "pessimistic" and/or "paranoid" viewpoints. I've always felt very similarly to him, and believe that in the first few months after initial onset, on through the first 1-2 years, errors in protection should always be on the cautious and protective side. And of course, vigilance will be required for the rest of our lives.
       
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    10. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      Would you be willing to share your story in a PM or do you have one in posted thread?
      I'd really like to learn from your experience as I am more frightened of bad H than bad T.
       
    11. coffee_girl
      Innocent

      coffee_girl Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      All my life, but got worse 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced / Concert
      There should be a giant banner on this forum that tells people that all information on this site are opinions and not medical advice.
       
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    12. Lane

      Lane Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
      And that sometimes the more certainty with which a person states their opinion, the more likely it is they're probably wrong. Not too many certainties when it comes to tinnitus/hyperacusis--except perhaps that you're almost guaranteed to experience the uncertainty and unpredictability of it all. I think about the best we can do is consistently try to tilt the odds in our favor as best we can.
       
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    13. Layla23
      Bookworm

      Layla23 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bars/nightclubs/MRI
      @Red

      That’s one aspect I do agree with TRT therapy (among a few other things). You have to let go of that fear as much as you can. I protect myself from loud sounds (lower than what TRT recommends but I don’t care since it has helped me) but I don’t fear my H.
       
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    14. Layla23
      Bookworm

      Layla23 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bars/nightclubs/MRI
      Whoops I accidentally deleted my post @Red

      I won’t repeat it but ultimately please listen to your body. Your symptoms and triggers will be different than mine. So no matter what advice I give, it might not help you.

      Shoot it might even hurt you. So listen to your own body.
       
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    15. kmohoruk
      Nerdy

      kmohoruk Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Noise, Ear Infection, TMJ
      It's definitely a tough balance. Since I had my initial trauma 4 years ago, I was managing my T and H pretty well. But I definitely agree with @Layla23 regarding it tough being a more passive person (which I am) - especially in work place/social environment sometimes.

      The toughest part I find is dealing with the sudden sounds. Auto lock car horns, dropped plates, fire alarms - it can definitely be tough. The acoustic trauma (small boat horn) that caused a flare in my T and H was a straight fluke as it was from a docked dinghy.

      I really like your advice there Layla - "listen to your body" and "balance is key". It's straight forward, simple and very true.

      Sometimes we just have to keep the hope going that things will get better like what @Telis said. Time can do wonders as well as the plasticity of the brain. That's where I put a lot of my stock anyways.
       
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    16. coffee_girl
      Innocent

      coffee_girl Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      All my life, but got worse 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced / Concert
      I agree, that's why I kept pointing out that T is different for everyone...nobody's T is exactly alike. If I wrote that slamming doors doesn't excite my T...it just means that it only applies to myself, and no one else. OVerall I take every comment with a grain of salt, never assume anyone on the net knows what theyre talking about :ROFL:
       
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    17. Layla23
      Bookworm

      Layla23 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bars/nightclubs/MRI
      ****correction**** I try my best to not fear my H/ other symptoms

      There are days where they completely break me down. Where I feel completely lost and desperate.

      Wanted to make that clear. I definitely don’t blame you a single bit for feeling intense fear. I’m right there with you. I’m just saying there are neuro-biological reasons behind fear making H worse (that we should try to avoid). Not fearing H can’t cure us but it definitely helps.

      @Red
       
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    18. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      I don't mean to go off topic, but where did you decide for stem cell treatment? You could message me if you'd like
       
    19. Gman
      No Mood

      Gman Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
      I hate when people say that if your T changes a lot in terms of intensity and frequency/frequencies then it’s a positive sign and there’s a good chance it could go away, compared to if it was more constant. Well, what it actually means to me is it is unhinged and unpredictable. It is incredibly hard to habituate to, never knowing what it is going to do when I wake up in the morning.
       
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    20. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      Unfortunately this is true. I still hope one day it will settle.
       
    21. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      Don't laugh...Mr.Freeman...
       
    22. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      My response to you was based on a game character called the "Gman" who has inter-dimensional powers and saves "Doctor Freeman" from catastrophe. It was only in jest. I hope for the best and your status applies to me as well
       
    23. Emperor-Drax

      Emperor-Drax Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/06/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud bang on metal with a mallet
      Gordon... you're alive! Thank god for that Hazard suit!
       
    24. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      DR. MOSSMAN!?!?!
       
    25. Emperor-Drax

      Emperor-Drax Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/06/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud bang on metal with a mallet
      Hey did you ever play Half-Life 2? I remember it had a nice touch where if Gordon is anywhere near an explosion, his ears ring for a few seconds. Great realism!
       
    26. PDodge
      Cowboy

      PDodge Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Woods of Alberta
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bear ate my Cochlea
      I've played that games annually since it's release. It always makes me feel good!
       
    27. Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      I've never heard of anyone whose T was relentlessly at the same level, who got better. I had heard of people whose T was all over the place, who eventually got better...
       
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    28. Gman
      No Mood

      Gman Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
      Interesting, but it could get a hell of a lot worse and often does. It’s like being on a roller coaster. In over 2.5 years it hasn’t improved but has become unhinged and unpredictable with many additional issues such as H and TTTS.

      Doesn’t help when surrounded by brain dead morons who are so unaware of the impacts of sound. I can’t wait to leave and be somewhere peaceful. Its happening soon.
       
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    29. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      I'm sorry that your T and H have gotten worse due to noise exposure. How loud were the things you were exposing yourself to?

      When people say "dont over protect" they are referring the low to moderate noise levels like things below 75-80 Db max. Once you go above that it is necessary to protect your ears if your in that environment for extended periods of time.
       
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    30. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Red
      Crappy

      Red Member

      Location:
      Northeast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Exposure (Headphones)
      Hey, don't say that! Surely there's more things that could be tried?
       
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