Are There Any Inspirational Bible Verses That Have Helped You with Tinnitus or Depression?

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    1. JohnAdams
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      Hebrews 12 King James Version (KJV)
      12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

      2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

      3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

      4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

      5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

      6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

      7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

      8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

      9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

      10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

      11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

      12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

      13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

      14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

      15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

      16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

      17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

      18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

      19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

      20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

      21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake)

      22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

      23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

      24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

      25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

      26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

      27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

      28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

      29 For our God is a consuming fire.
       
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    2. John Mahan

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      And my personal favorite....

      Touch not my anointed unit, as I seek the moral high ground and be spiritually sanctified but will be one miserable sumbitch without purpose.

      Chronicles
       
    3. Bill Bauer
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      Same here. However, my point was that there is no reason to live in poverty.
      I have a PhD, and my IQ is not particularly high (110? I never had a chance to take the test). I got where I am by spending a lot more time studying than the other students in my classes. I have no idea why the other students haven't done what I did - it was all there for the taking.
      I thought we were talking about the ability to lift oneself our of poverty, and not about becoming a billionaire.
      This thinker (me) thinks that it is self evident that our standard of living 30 years from now will be a lot closer to the standard of living in the third world. I see the standard of living deteriorating at an accelerating rate, and I think that it is hilarious for someone to continue thinking what people used to think back in 1950s (when they had an actual reason to think it) - that the progress will continue.
      Their loss.
      Why?
      No, see - they Think they Choose to go out, to have fun, to do what they feel like when they are young. As a result they don't choose to study (it is Way less interesting/exciting/titillating. As a result of that, what they Actually end up choosing is what you had described above. One could try to explain to them when they are between the ages of say 15 and 20 that this is the time when how they will spend their life is being decided. In my experience (talking to 18-20 years olds), most of them choose to
      ignore this advice. Their choice.
      I know! Oh well - all of the fun that they get as they are not getting an education, must make it all worth it. I have basically no memory of my 20s (as nothing happened, as I was just busy preparing for various exams) - they must have much better memories. So there's that. I am happy for them.
       
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    4. John Mahan

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      I think fundamentally we differ on the 'concept' of what free will is. Your comments are replete with the different choices people make. You believe they are being objective and I believe each of us has personal bias based upon genetics and environment that many times steers us away from making certain decisions. Many people have regrets about they choices they made. That is what I mean about lack of free will. Same data, bad decisions compared to good decisions some make. You must admit, people don't make the same decisions or we would all end up in the same place.
       
    5. Bill Bauer
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      I believe the same thing. However, genetics and environment typically don't force you to do something, they make you more predisposed to doing something. There is a difference. There is also a difference between getting a job as a professional pianist, and just getting some job to not be poor. One is very specific and the other one is very general.

      People are not being objective, but not thinking things through is their choice. In other words, I might not be exercising regularly, even though I know it would be good for me, but that is my choice. I am certainly Capable of exercising every day.
      There is nothing stopping a 30, 40, or a 50 year old from becoming a plumber or (if one is under 40) from becoming a medical doctor. A man I know went to medical school at the age of 38 - he is now a doctor.
      Of course they don't. And they have only themselves to blame.
       
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      We have both presented our viewpoint and disagree on some level which is ok because people disagree about all kinds of things and world still goes around.:)
      I am more in the people are born a certain way like great leaders who make the choices they make to become great leaders and you believe everybody has this opportunity. I fundamentally disagree which is ok. To me, it seems obvious and you not so much.
       
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      The vast majority of people have an opportunity to not be poor. I didn't say everyone has an opportunity to become a great leader.
       
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      If people have the same free will and you say going to grad school is available to pretty much anyone, why aren't all people the same? Obvious reason is...their talent or lack thereof colors their free will. I have known my share of leaders and will tell you that they think differently and make different decisions than other people that aren't as successful. Do you think a person with a severe speech impediment has the same free will to get up in front of a hundred people to give a speech?...lol. Some people are morbidly phobic to get on an airplane or into an elevator. Do you think they have the same free will as others to get on an airplane or into an elevator?
       
    9. Bill Bauer
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      They have different preferences. Specifically, some are willing to forego more in the present for a given reward in the future.
      You are being very specific again:
      There are plenty of things a person with a speech impediment can do to do well in life.
       
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      The point is, people process things differently. They make different decisions given the same data.
      Some do well on a their SAT's and some flunk.
      You may not know, but a high correlation between SAT scores and socio economic status.

      Did you see the interview with the 6 year old music prodigy? Where does it come from? She didn't know. It was just there. She felt a connection to Mozart. Most 6 year olds can't spell Mozart. Its not there for the vast majority. It colors her choices. She won't be in poverty or a car mechanic...lol.

      Why do I have way more talent at math than the average journalist? Its in my genes. My brain shapes the world as I see it and the decisions I make. No free will.
       
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      That's because some read books and study, and others don't. But nobody had a gun to anyone's head forcing them to read/study or to not read/study.
      No free will about pursuing career in math, but free will about finding a career that will keep you out of poverty. By the way, you never answered why anyone would live in poverty when they could just go learn a trade and earn over $100,000 a year.
       
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      Because a lot of people in poverty don't have the brains to learn a trade or become a plumber, or choose to take drugs instead or were abused and mentally ill and can't sustain any job. No free will. We basically play out what our DNA gives us. Those that emerge from poverty and there are some really inspirational stories, were 'special people' and typically had a special person or people directing them.. The genetic lottery smiled on them to overcome all the obstacles that keep generations in the same place. Like Ben Carson from Detroit who went on to become a promising brain surgeon and now works at the White House.
      He is a special guy with high IQ who elevated himself from the chronic cycle of hopelessness.

      The Ben Carson Story in Five Minutes.mp4
       
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      What fraction of the population (who are not disabled enough to have to live in an institution) do you believe are smart enough to learn a trade?
       
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      At least 50%. Most trade work takes a degree of mechanical aptitude.
      But pretty clear, most won't choose that line of work. Quite sure those types of 'skilled labor' are in the minority of all jobs available.

      Curious why you have such a fixation on skilled labor jobs? Since according to you, these types of jobs are like low hanging fruit....just like you say graduate school is for everybody. Why don't all poor people get jobs in the skilled trades or go to graduate school?...since they have complete free will like everybody else according to you.

      Do you think poor people like being poor and watching their family members get shot and get hauled off to prison? Carson didn't.

      How about a comment on why Black males make up 35.4 percent of the jail and prison population — even though they make up less than 10 percent of the overall U.S population?

      Since everybody has free will like you say, why do so many Black males choose crime and prison versus White guys who go to college and make a decent living? I mean, according to you Black men should just become plumbers or go to graduate school since they have this choice. Peculiar they would choose a life of crime and jail if they had free will. Here is a little secret. They don't.
       
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      These jobs are plentiful, pay well (more than many white collar jobs that require a Bachelor's degree), and 80% of the population is smart enough to get the required certification.
      I had already answered this question multiple times.
      I had already answered that.
       
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      Sorry to disagree but your declarations contradict what is happening in society...blatantly.

      And 80% is a bogus number. A much higher percentage of people don't have the mechanical aptitude to pursue a job in the skilled trades. Show me the data. 80% is ridiculous.

      Your whole argument is contradicted by all the bad choices people make in life due to cognitive ability and environment. In Chicago on any given weekend 50 people can be shot. They choose to live in the inner city, be poor, participate in crime and watch fellow family members die based upon 'choices' they make. If they had free will to make better decisions about their lives, they would. Any sensible human being would.

      All based upon choices. Why such horrific choices? Why not become a plumber and live happily ever after and a long life which is a beyond laughable supposition? No free will. It isn't much different than rich people deciding what boarding school to send junior to. The cycle of crime and wealth changes very little. And how about lottery winners who are poor and never had any money to manage and now are rich? Almost all lose it all. Why is that? The decisions they make. Most rich people can hold onto their money. But poor people that acquire it can't. No free will. Same choices for everybody and different people make different decisions based upon their ability or lack thereof.

      I haven't mentioned my brother. He has a Master's Degree in Physics and graduated at the top of his class from a top college. His wife had a high paying job and he wanted to make a difference and work in the inner city of Chicago as a school teacher. He put himself in harm's way for almost no money. I have had in depth conversations with him about the young people he teaches or tries to. If anybody could make a difference in these kid's lives its my brother who is so very smart and caring. He told me, the situation is hopeless. He gets through to almost no kids. He has parent conferences and looks into vacant eyes of despair....if he can find a parent who will meet with him about their kids. Most of these kids only have one parent whom they don't see much and are on welfare. This isn't how you or I grew up. Our parents made very different choices in their lives and how to raise us. Lucky us. These kids however aren't so lucky.

      Here is a good conversation about how everything in society relates on some level to a bell curve. This is my training as well.

      I have to ask, is your PhD in the hard sciences?

      To me, if the concept of free will were alive and well, people would make much better choices but they don't. No free will. And hence the bell curve:

      John Mighton on The Ubiquitous Bell Curve
       
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      So people that have bad management skills and aren't good with numbers have
      That's absurd. That's like saying because I'm not strong enough to hold a fire hose without it whipping me around means I have no free will.
       
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      Actually, you using the bible as your roadmap is more absurd. The bible is a good storybook of fairy tales which teaches some valuable life lessons.

      The firehose is life. No free will or most people would make different decisions.

      Bill and John, this may help:

      Sam Harris on Free Will (Joe Rogan Experience...
       
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      If there is no free will then why do we punish people for committing crimes?
       
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      Watch the video. Sam believes we shouldn't. Watch the whole video. It really is a great explanation.
      What we need to do...lets take a psychopath who hurts people with no rhyme or reason.
      Should they be punished? They didn't pick their parents or their environment or really who they are and what they become. What should society do? Lock them up of course to keep them from harming well intentioned people in society. Sam used some other great examples in this video but Charles Manson really is the poster boy. Pretty much everybody wanted to demonize Manson for this beyond heinous deeds. Reality is, if you rewind his life, his behavior can be certainly explained.
      He didn't have the same free will as somebody growing up in the suburbs in a wealthy family.

      But really they shouldn't be demonized. They honestly can't help it. I know you believe everybody has an objective choice. Each choice is governed by your genetic make up and your environment including all the people that you have interacted which forms your belief system and how you respond to the world.
       
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      How so?
      I've been part of the university system (this includes me being a student) for over 25 years. I would say that the standards are low enough to allow 80% of the population to get an undergraduate degree. I am assuming that if one can get an undergraduate degree, one can get a skilled trade diploma.
      I don't see a contradiction. I see a difference in preferences (including the willingness to forego fun today for a future reward).
      All of this is similar to the reason why people choose to not be active. There is nothing stopping anyone from exercising, the doctors are telling us that our risk of disease increases if we don't exercise, and yet few people choose to exercise.
      LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      While I wasn't "trying to make a difference" (LOL), as I mentioned to you earlier, I had also spoken to students about these things and it also hasn't worked. It doesn't mean that those students are incapable, it just means that their preferences and values are different from mine.
      It is in the next tier, below Physics and Math.
       
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      Revelation ch 16:
      So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

      4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

      5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

      6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

      7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

      8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

      9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

      10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

      11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

      12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

      13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

      14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

      15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

      16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

      17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

      18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
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      And another favorite of mine that the bible answers to give us all wisdom and guidance as we travel the path of righteousness:

      Where was Solomon’s temple located? On the side of his head.
       
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      It’s clear you gentlemen have reached an impasse.
       
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      I saw the devil playing the piano at the airport the other day. I asked him why he is playing at the airport and he said, he couldn't help it. No free will:
      PS. if you look closely there is a walk by of the world's tallest man early in the video.

      Two Dudes Nuke Commuters With The Blues
       
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      Deuteronomy 28:27 New International Version (NIV)
      The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured.
       
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      meh, maybe not...
       
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      You think you're clever but you really aren't. You're nay saying me for believing in the Bible, which if if you honestly debated me on it I'd Evander Holyfield you and to exit the debate you'd have to Mike Tyson me and bite my ear off. You're also debating me AND @Bill Bauer on the obviously true concept of the sentience of free will.

      Let's do it. Debate me about the Bible with sources and logic and the like.
       
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      If no one concedes the validity of the opposing argument that is an impasse. I see no wavering on either side.
       
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      yeah not yet. maybe they will reconcile and form a team?
       
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