Basically Cured with Psilocybin

Discussion in 'Success Stories' started by the Jalombian, Dec 14, 2017.

    1. blamingeverything

      blamingeverything Member Benefactor

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      12/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      high frequency hearing loss
      It’s a tough call with psychedelics and being on the edge like that. It’s worth a last ditch effort in my book but that’s for me.
       
    2. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      I would definitely try Ketamine before any psychs. Ketamine has long lasting positive effects on mood. Plus it's actually also fun if used recreationally but most people probably aren't into that.
       
    3. kingsfan
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      turning everything up to 11
      I would try DXM first, then Ketamine, then Psilocybin.

      I may be going this route, but I really hate DXM. It makes me uncontrollably jittery and anxious, even at small doses.
       
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    4. blamingeverything

      blamingeverything Member Benefactor

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      12/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      high frequency hearing loss
      I personally would go for the shrooms first, simply because I've had them a few times with great effect (pre-tinnitus).

      Funny you mention DXM - new drug approved today with DXM + Buproprion:

      FDA OKs First Oral NMDA Receptor Antagonist for Depression
       
    5. IndyMLVC

      IndyMLVC Member

      Location:
      NYC
      Tinnitus Since:
      2009
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I have done 8 sessions of Ketamine. It's expensive AF. :(
       
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    6. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      What's the cost per session and what dose of Ketamine?

      It's like €70 a gram on the black market.

      What effect have you noticed from it? I have only ever done it recreationally.
       
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    7. kingsfan
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      kingsfan Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      turning everything up to 11
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    8. wrk2liv

      wrk2liv Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2008
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown
      To add a datapoint to the discussion. I have frequently experimented with magic mushrooms and other psychedelics to help with depression caused mostly by tinnitus and while I have experienced no ill effects, it has had no impact on tinnitus.

      They definitely helped with depression however and IMHO is a safer alternative to SSRIs, which likely caused my tinnitus in the first place fifteen years ago. Doctors are way too quick to prescribe SSRIs unfortunately.
       
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    9. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      Which other psychedelics did you have a good effect from?

      I like psychedelics that have an easier/more mild headspace such as 4-HO-MET or 2C-B for instance. I'm not sure if these ones would provide as much of a therapeutic effect since they are not as strong on the mental side. They can still be very strong on the mental side if you take too much but on equal doses of 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT (the active compound in magic mushrooms), the 4-HO-MET is much more easy going.

      If I was going to try psychedelics, I would definitely try 4-HO-MET or 4-AcO-MET or any of the easier headspace ones first but that's just me. Not sure if you could ask a clinic to dose you with that instead of magic mushrooms. It's extremely similar. There is a huge long list of magic mushroom analogs.

      I'd love to hear from someone who went to South America to do an Ayahuasca retreat to try and cure their tinnitus. That would for sure be on the extreme end of the spectrum.
       
    10. wrk2liv

      wrk2liv Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2008
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown
      LSD, MDMA and DMT. Planning to try Ketamine and Ayahuasca in the future.
       
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    11. IndyMLVC

      IndyMLVC Member

      Location:
      NYC
      Tinnitus Since:
      2009
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Each IV session is $500. Your starter dose is, I believe, 50 mg and they go up from there depending on how you react. And that $500 is just to sit in a room with an IV. No one monitors you. They check in on you about halfway through and that's it. When you're done, you walk out. It's a big racket because the FDA hasn't approved IVs for depression. Only the inhalers have been approved. Once again, the gov't is dragging their feet for no reason.

      I was using it for depression/PTSD/Anxiety. The first 6 sessions really helped. Now, not so much. I'm crashing really badly and finding no joy in anything anymore. It's 100% because of my hearing/tinnitus. I'm thinking of going back for another few sessions. As others have said, what good is $$ in your savings account if you don't want to live? I can't work any more. I have so many problems that life just seems pointless.

      That said, again, my tinnitus really spiked during a couple of the sessions. I was "under" and freaking out (for many reasons) and all I could hear was the tinnitus.
      Same here, tbh. Mine started 13 years ago after my (then) GP literally threw a box of Effexor at me and told me to start taking it. I am not sure if I hate him or myself more for starting. They've ruined my life.
       
    12. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
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      Tinnitus Since:
      2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      That is a super low dose. Especially since you are able to walk so soon after. Maybe a therapeutic needs a low dose. Any time I took higher doses of Ketamine I definitely couldn't walk properly for a while. Since what you are doing is off market anyway, there are other sources of Ketamine available. You can buy testing kits. It obviously is much riskier than what you are doing but is something much cheaper.

      One of my old friends once took a whole gram of Ketamine in one day. The effects are fun for curios individuals. I am not advocating this at all, that is a very large amount and people shouldn't really do that. Also, you need to be very careful not to mix it with other drugs like benzos or alcohol. I might order some again to try and help.
       
    13. IndyMLVC

      IndyMLVC Member

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      2009
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I was at 65 mg on my last one and they didn't want to raise it. I am on the spectrum and even small doses of medicine have a huge effect on me.

      If you can't walk properly afterwards, that's a problem because they want you out. I've literally had them tell me that they need the room for the next person after 2 hours. You're supposed to get it for about 45-60 minutes. They do mine over 90 minutes.
       
    14. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      On higher doses you can walk but it just feels like you are skipping scenes, lots of delayed reaction if that makes any sense. The immediate effects wear off really quick anyway at least. I wonder would other dissociatives have the same effect. Probably would. Some can last a lot longer like several hours.

      Those clinics are quite interesting. Insane how expensive it is but I guess they have a lot of overheads. Would be great if they could just decriminalize the drugs and let people buy them in shops and take them at home. Would be so much cheaper but I guess it could lead to abuse or people overdosing easily.
       
    15. IndyMLVC

      IndyMLVC Member

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      2009
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      Unknown
      They're expensive because, in the US, Ketamine hasn't been approved by the FDA for depression. Only Esketamine has been but it's supposedly not as potent. I went for the IV because I needed it desperately. At this point, though, I'm exploring the Esketamine option now as well. We'll see.

      They also put several other drugs in my "cocktail" for anxiety, nausea and something else. Even with that, I can't just walk out of the office. I have to sit in the lobby for about a half hour until the stuff wears off. In the beginning, I was severely messed up. It took days for me to feel normal. But... it worked (for the depression, anyway).
       
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    16. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      There is also 2-Fluorodeschloroketamine which is very similar to Ketamine, again just less potent and duration is a little longer. It's an analog so it's not actually illegal and you can order it online on the normal internet. I tried it many times and it's very similar to Ketamine. There are other drugs that are similar too like O-PCE and DCK but those are much more potent and the duration of effect is several hours. Potentially they would have even longer lasting benefits for depression but you just need to be careful if you are self-administering.

      I should try some Ketamine for my mood at least. I even like the effects too lol.
       
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    17. Jonnie

      Jonnie Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I just want to add a word of caution to those who are considering psychedelic use to address tinnitus.

      Psychedelics can have a negative/dangerous side. One form of this is HPPD as mentioned previously in this thread. (See also this New Yorker article.)

      My tinnitus specialist theorizes that my current tinnitus may have been caused by my one time use of certain psychedelics (in CDMX months ago), as I seemed to have developed mild HPPD symptoms right after. Do your research and proceed with caution if you're determined, because it could make things worse.

      Definitely avoid psychedelics if you have mental health conditions such as psychosis, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc.

      For those who are determined, Vancouver, British Columbia actually has Ketamine therapy clinics among other psychedelics supports and networks.

      I both revere and fear psychedelics now. I'm excited to see additional research in this space to see how it can improve people's quality of life.
       
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    18. HeavyMantra
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      Your "tinnitus specialist" might be right, I also suspect tinnitus can be caused by psychedelics if there's already a predisposition or existing hair cell or synapse damage. Maybe even by some other mechanism entirely. But without further motivation your specialist may just as well have been reaching for the easy explanation, just like professionals in the field often reach for the "stress" card when trying to explain tinnitus in the absence of a textbook audiogram dip. These people generally aren't even aware of hidden hearing loss.

      Ketamine isn't known to cause HPPD as far as I know? LSD and various research drugs are infamous for causing this condition though.
       
    19. SmallRonnie
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      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Tinnitus Since:
      2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      I'll tell you my personal experience, just remember this won't be how everyone reacts.

      I used psychedelics extensively. Once a week for many months in a row and big doses every time. I did get mild HPPD and still have it very mildly a few years later but it mostly went away when I stopped tripping.

      Usually, the cases of HPPD are only from abusing those drugs for long periods of time.

      If you already have a history of mental illness, or there is history of mental illness in your family, it can be bad to trip even once, as you say. Possibly if you already have visual snow or tinnitus it could make it even worse too. Reports are really 50-50 where some people get much better and others get worse.
       
    20. Jonnie

      Jonnie Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      @HeavyMantra, these are good points. My audiology tests did come back normal, but drops off at the 16 kHz - 18 kHz range. So I wonder if that counts as Hidden Hearing Loss?

      I don't know if there's an association between Ketamine and HPPD, as HPPD is a under-researched field at the moment. Although, I did find this article on Google.

      In this case I'm fortunate that my tinnitus specialist is a high school friend who works in hearing & audiology. Even if it is a reach, I think it's with good intentions. :)
      @SmallRonnie, I think I'm one of the few unlucky infrequent users that developed HPPD. I've stopped all substances (including cannabis & caffeine) a few months ago.
       
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