Developed Hyperacusis 1 Week Ago

[Marko Nakovski]

Hello guys I haven't been posting here for a long time. I have had tinnitus for one and a half year. In the beginning I was having very difficult time to cope with my tinnitus.

After half a year I was getting better and better.

In the last 5-6 months I was feeling good, I've had good and bad days for my tinnitus but wasn't like in the beginning.

Now I developed hyperacusis and I feel like I can't live like this anymore. The more noise I hear the bigger the pain is in my ears.

This is so much worse than tinnitus.

I was considering some device with pink or white noise. They are very expensive and I'm not sure if I really need to buy them or I can just listen them on my mobile phone.

Usually my hyperacusis is worse in the night, like 2 or 3 hours before sleeping. I feel weird when I'm watching tv, when I flush in the toilet or hearing the noise from my elevator. They are not loud sounds at all but I have pain after I hear them.

I'm so stressed, depressed and anxious like never before in my life.

I would like to go out from time to time too without using any earplugs even if that hurts me a lot. I'm considering this because I read in many forums that if you overprotect your ears your hyperacusis will become even much more sensitive.

So does that mean that if I listen to white noise most of the time and I go out without earplugs to adapt myself to loud noises I will speed up my recovery?

Or should I wear earplugs from time to time?

I feel suicidal sometimes because of my big pain. I really don't know what to do...

 

[Bill Bauer]

I'm considering this because I read in many forums that if you overprotect your ears your hyperacusis will become even much more sensitive.

I had terrible hyperacusis right after the onset of my tinnitus. I protected my ears religiously, and within 6 months my hyperacusis was completely gone. I would watch videos at moderate volume, and that ensured that my hyperacusis would not become worse. Giving my ears a chance to heal (by protecting my ears) had evidently caused my hyperacusis to eventually disappear.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I go out without earplugs to adapt myself to loud noises I will speed up my recovery?

I read many posts on this forum by people who did the above and lived to regret it - their H and T got a lot worse.

wear earplugs from time to time?

Wear earplugs whenever you are in environments where you might be exposed to noise that might give you a T or H spike.

Find the loudest volume at which you can watch long videos without experiencing any problems. Every month you ought to be able to increase the volume at which you listen to your videos. Once you get to moderate volume, stop trying to increase the volume.

 

[Contrast]

Hello guys I haven't been posting here for a long time. I have had tinnitus for one and a half year. In the beginning I was having very difficult time to cope with my tinnitus.

After half a year I was getting better and better.

In the last 5-6 months I was feeling good, I've had good and bad days for my tinnitus but wasn't like in the beginning.

Now I developed hyperacusis and I feel like I can't live like this anymore. The more noise I hear the bigger the pain is in my ears.

This is so much worse than tinnitus.

I was considering some device with pink or white noise. They are very expensive and I'm not sure if I really need to buy them or I can just listen them on my mobile phone.

Usually my hyperacusis is worse in the night, like 2 or 3 hours before sleeping. I feel weird when I'm watching tv, when I flush in the toilet or hearing the noise from my elevator. They are not loud sounds at all but I have pain after I hear them.

I'm so stressed, depressed and anxious like never before in my life.

I would like to go out from time to time too without using any earplugs even if that hurts me a lot. I'm considering this because I read in many forums that if you overprotect your ears your hyperacusis will become even much more sensitive.

So does that mean that if I listen to white noise most of the time and I go out without earplugs to adapt myself to loud noises I will speed up my recovery?

Or should I wear earplugs from time to time?

I feel suicidal sometimes because of my big pain. I really don't know what to do...

Do you suspect any change of habit or loud music exposure caused hyperacusis?

did the hyperacusis appear out of nowhere?

 

[Marko Nakovski]

@Bill Bauer I was thinking about situations when I'm home and someone speak to me,I watch tv, flush the toilet and similar things. As far as I know these sounds are not that loud but they still hurt me. However I'm not sure if I need to wear earplugs when I'm out and there are cars around me, bikes, trucks, lot of people talk or some kid scream. Some people say that we need to protect but I was not sure about which situations they mean. Did you wear your earplugs in situations like that? I mean did you wear them only outside? If so did you have them all the time?

When I go to some club, restaurant, or other loud event I always have my audio flare titanium earplugs, they help a lot. But this is a new situation to me and I don't know what to do. Did you use some therapy like white noise or pink noise? What do you suggest me to do? Thanks

 

[Marko Nakovski]

@Contrast I was going outside to restaurants, clubs and loud events from time to time but I always have earplugs which are great and help me a lot. Sometimes I was having pain for 1-2 days and tinnitus spiked for 2-3 days and sometimes even 5-6 days even if I wear the earplugs after loud event. I think that my Hyperacusis is from shooting but I'm not sure. Maybe 15-16 days before I developed Hyperacusis I was shooting indoors with the big earplugs they always give you and also in the same time I was wearing silicone earplugs. I shot maybe 35-40 bullets with double protection. After that my tinnitus spiked for 5-6 days just like some days when I go out to club.

Do you think that after 15 days I can develop Hyperacusis and that shooting was the reason for this?

 

[Bill Bauer]

flush the toilet and similar things. As far as I know these sounds are not that loud but they still hurt me.

Flushing a toilet can actually be loud. It will help to close the lid, but even that might still be too loud.

wear earplugs when I'm out and there are cars around me, bikes, trucks, lot of people talk or some kid scream.

The noises made by trucks and motorcycles accelerating are another noise that I choose to protect against.

Did you wear your earplugs in situations like that? I mean did you wear them only outside?

I would plug my "bad" ear (by pressing on the tragus) after closing the lid of a toilet and before flushing it. (I always wear hearing protection when I am at public washrooms.) My home is quiet, so I mostly wore hearing protection outside, when there is a chance that I might be exposed to noise that might give me a spike. I also wear muffs whenever I open my garage door, or whenever I (or a passenger) close the door of my car. Slamming doors can be loud enough to cause a spike.

When I go to some club, restaurant, or other loud event I always have my audio flare titanium earplugs, they help a lot.

My opinion is that it is a bad idea to willingly attend a loud event. Earplugs and other hearing protection can provide a false sense of security. Before exposing yourself to this risk, please check out
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/learn-from-others-mistakes.29437/

But this is a new situation to me and I don't know what to do.

I think this new situation is a result of you attending those loud events.

Did you use some therapy like white noise or pink noise?

During the first few months after onset (when my T was incredibly loud and shrill), I had to use a sound machine to provide masking that would help me to fall asleep. The sounds of crickets work well for high pitch T. But I don't believe it actually did anything about T (besides avoiding a spike due to insomnia).

What do you suggest me to do?

There is not much you can do, besides protecting your ears from loud/moderate noises and hoping that eventually your body will be able to heal itself (partially because you provided the right conditions for this to happen).

I protected my ears from all of the noises that bothered me. But those noises were never as quiet as people talking to me. If I were you, I would protect my ears against anything louder than a regular conversation. You want to make sure that you get exposed to sounds at least as loud as a normal conversation. You might want to gradually increase the time during which you are exposed to noises at that volume. If you actually get a T spike, you will know that you are increasing this time too fast.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think that my Hyperacusis is from shooting but I'm not sure. Maybe 15-16 days before I developed Hyperacusis I was shooting indoors with the big earplugs they always give you and also in the same time I was wearing silicone earplugs.

You can ignore reality (that your ears have been compromised and as a result you shouldn't be doing the things that you would be doing if you were healthy), but you won't be able to ignore the consequences of you ignoring reality (T and H getting into debilitating territory). I believe that eventually you will have to discontinue these reckless behaviours. The question is simply how damaged your ears are going to be by the time you decide that you have had enough and end the insanity.

I am not sure how enjoyable those activities can possibly be to you if you know that you might have to pay for it for the rest of your life.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Do you think that after 15 days I can develop Hyperacusis and that shooting was the reason for this?

If you begin hitting a wall with a hammer, it takes time before you see the objects on the other side of the wall. My guess is that it wasn't just shooting that is to blame.

 

[kelpiemsp]

This is getting way out of hand. The medical model that predicts hearing loss associated with loud noise exposure requires many days to weeks from the over production of glutamate to the actual destruction of nerves and synapses. What can happen instantly and relatively quickly while also lead to hyperacusis? An amped up DCN. The way to down regulate that is through stress reduction. Wearing ear plugs will only make the brain ramp up its gain and make you more likely to continue this process.

I'm not saying loud noise exposure does not lead to hearing loss and increased tinnitus... because it does. But walking around with ear plugs because you are worried about everyday normal sounds will also make you more prone to tinnitus by incentivizing your brain to turn up the gain while simultaneously creating a psychological block against sounds which are not harmful I.e any toilet flush... ever... in the history of the world.

Protecting your ears against anything louder than a conversation will lead to a life of perpetual torment from T. I do not advise

@Bill Bauer I would love to see a medical explanation for how an impulse noise causes a sudden spike in T, when the process of hearing damage from the over production of a neurotransmitter (glutamate) requires a sustained response of days to weeks.

I can give you the answer... it's in your head. Your brain, your DCN, can get over excited from increased stimuli. That can cause an immediate spike. But walking around and telling people their ears are hurt and disabled is just rubbish and fear mongering.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Wearing ear plugs will only make the brain ramp up its gain and make you more likely to continue this process.

Tell that to the folks I quoted in the post below:

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/learn-from-others-mistakes.29437/
You are right - It Is getting out of hand.

But walking around with ear plugs because you are worried about everyday normal sounds

He is not "worried about the every day sounds". He followed your advice and NOW even moderate noises trigger his H.

I had addressed your concern when I wrote

You want to make sure that you get exposed to sounds at least as loud as a normal conversation. You might want to gradually increase the time during which you are exposed to noises at that volume. If you actually get a T spike, you will know that you are increasing this time too fast.

any toilet flush... ever... in the history of the world.

When I began to protect against all of the sounds that my body was signalling to me were too loud (and in my case that included flushing the toilet), I began to experience improvement (and this was especially obvious as far as my H was concerned). He has already tried it your way. We can see how well that worked out for him. I am sure there are people out there who could follow your advice and not get worse. His post implies that he found out the hard way that he is not one of them.

@Bill Bauer I would love to see a medical explanation

Theory is cheap - empirical evidence is golden. Are you saying that if you were to observe some people developing cancer following consumption of some food, you would keep eating it until the time when someone were to put together a theory about why it is a carcinogen? Why take a risk of getting cancer, if the benefit is just some exotic food?!

I can give you the answer... it's in your head. Your brain, your DCN, can get over excited from increased stimuli.

I keep having to address the same old tired points. Here we go again: after I got T, it hasn't occurred to me that the noises that had never harmed me were no longer safe. I would continue using my blender and vacuum cleaner. Eventually I figured out that I would get spikes afterwards. It was a very clean experiment - I would never get nervous following that noise exposure, and yet I got horrific spikes. Even when I began protecting my ears, when I picked up an old landline phone (its volume stuck at Max) and the person on the other end raised her voice, I thought nothing of it. After all, it is Just a Phone. It is only after I had to live through the most horrific (and longest) T spike I had ever had (it lasted for over three months, and had erased all of the progress I made up to that point) that I got more educated about it.

So - NO, it is NOT all in my head.

walking around and telling people their ears are hurt and disabled is just rubbish and fear mongering.

You realize that there are many current users who know that had they been given the message to protect their ears, they would be able to avoid debilitating T spikes, right?

Your advice for people to be reckless is as evil as it gets.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Protecting your ears against anything louder than a conversation will lead to a life of perpetual torment from T.

Not listening to one's body will lead to a life of perpetual torment from T for many people. When one protects, one has nothing to worry about. When one acts recklessly (because going to noisy places is fun!) - Then one has every reason to be under tremendous stress - after all one is literally gambling with one's life.

 

[kelpiemsp]

It's hard to take someone seriously when they refuse to face the scientific and medical facts!

Just because the earth looks flat doesn't mean it is. Anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing... especially when it comes to this.

You ever find your self disagreeing with 100 people... and you just can't seem to understand why they don't get it? It just might be that you are the one not getting it. So long as you are spreading fear, I will be here!

When one overprotects you absolutely have something to worry about.

You do understand that T spikes can't fully be explained by anyone. Anyone! The arrogance that you have some solution, that your prescribe to anybody is ludicrous. The reason people can always point to a loud sound causing a spike is because there is always a loud sound you can blame.

It's like blaming the moon for the sun rising. But contrary to anecdotal evidence we know better.

 

[Bill Bauer]

It's hard to take someone seriously when they refuse to face the scientific and medical facts!

How about when they refuse to face the empirical facts?

How do you use your "scientific facts" to explain my experiences (and the experiences of many whom I quoted in that thread I lined to - they were also not concerned about the noise [as evidenced by the fact that they chose to expose themselves to it], and learned the hard way that it was a serious mistake)?

Anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing... especially when it comes to this.

It proves that the risk is nonzero (and the frequency of those posts proves that it is nonnegligeable). Given what is at stake (we are not talking about a couple of thousands of dollars that might be at stake for a stock market transaction), it doesn't make sense to play with fire like that.

You ever find your self disagreeing with 100 people... and you just can't seem to understand why they don't get it?

WTF?! Where did you get the idea that I am in the minority?! If you look at the old threads and count the "agrees", etc (as I would often do), you will see that the two points of view have about an even number of followers (and if one side has more followers [not that it matters very much, except as a measure of the fraction of people who have common sense and a basic self-preservation instinct], it is the "protect your ears" side).

So long as you are spreading fear, I will be here!

So long as you are encouraging people to be reckless, I will clarify it to them.

When one overprotects you absolutely have something to worry about.

What about the people that I quoted in the thread below?

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/learn-from-others-mistakes.29437/

The arrogance that you have some solution, that your prescribe to anybody is ludicrous.

The mechanism of how people get cancer is also not completely clear for many cancer types. This uncertainty doesn't mean that it is ok to smoke [even though the majority of smokers will never develop any health conditions as a result of smoking].

there is always a loud sound you can blame.

Not the case for those of us who protect.

It's like blaming the moon for the sun rising

You are confusing the lack of studies looking into what causes spikes, with a study showing that moderate noises do not cause spikes.

 

[Bill Bauer]

The medical model that predicts hearing loss associated with loud noise exposure requires many days to weeks from the over production of glutamate to the actual destruction of nerves and synapses.

When a theory can't explain observations, normally there is a problem with the theory. It is wrong or incomplete. When the observations are inconsistent with the theory that you know, you choose to disregard the observations. Amazing.

 

[kelpiemsp]

Sorry bill but ask any audiologist they are pretty clear on this subject. Unfortunately, most of us here are not experts, but the experts are pretty clear on this topic.

Have you studied misattribution bias? Many people do it, it's normal. Until your quotes start containing a compiled list of audiologists and ENTs they are subject to this failure.

What would be more beneficial is if you could help people find the real reason for spikes... if there is one. And it might be that noise is doing it. But by suggesting the sound of someone stalking through a phone has caused near immediate damage to your ear is absurd.

I'm sure it causes a spike! I won't deny your experience, but instead of doubling down on a belief that flies in the face of facts... maybe you and your followers should search for a reason and a model that fits within our framework of understanding.

 

[kelpiemsp]

When a theory can't explain observations, normally there is a problem with the theory. It is wrong or incomplete. When the observations are inconsistent with the theory that you know, you choose to disregard the observations. Amazing.

The earth isn't flat. You can't write your way out of that. Accurate observation is the key to science. Ignore this, and you have nothing.

 

[Lex]

@Bill Bauer I was thinking about situations when I'm home and someone speak to me,I watch tv, flush the toilet and similar things. As far as I know these sounds are not that loud but they still hurt me. However I'm not sure if I need to wear earplugs when I'm out and there are cars around me, bikes, trucks, lot of people talk or some kid scream. Some people say that we need to protect but I was not sure about which situations they mean. Did you wear your earplugs in situations like that? I mean did you wear them only outside? If so did you have them all the time?

Cases are different based on personal experiences shared by sufferers. Some will say overprotecting made them more sensitive, and I believe them. It's their experience, and I will take their word for it.

But some will also say underprotecting made them more sensitive, and I'm one of them. It's up to you to take my word for it, or not. I don't really have power over that. But there are two sides (or more) to every story.

I followed the popular advice to trudge on in spite of the discomfort, and I paid a very high price. I started with loudness hyperacusis only, no pain, but it slowly worsened to pain hyperacusis. Then I got exposed to several seconds of music from a loudspeaker. It wasn't even crazy loud -- no one else around me was startled or bothered by it. I had instant pain when it happened though, and I instinctively covered my ears (but too late by then). I thought I was going to be fine because the pain disappeared after a bit, but it came back with a vengeance two days later while I had been in bed laying low. I was in hellish suicidal 24/7 pain for a few months. More than a year has passed since that 30-second setback and the pain is still there. Not as potent, but still painful enough to force me to live a life full of limitations. I can't talk on the phone, it gives me pain. Car rides, I can't go on for more than 30 minutes, it also gives me pain. If the car is small, five minutes is enough to cause me pain. Typing too hard on my laptop also causes me pain. You get the idea. The pain doesn't disappear after the stimulus disappears. The pain stays for minutes, hours, or if I'm really unlucky, days.

Many people don't take my story here seriously because my case is severe. On some level, I understand why -- not everyone gets to become a severe case. But I didn't start out as severe. Not at all. Your current hyperacusis is far worse then my initial hyperacusus. I started out as having very mild hyperacusis. I had absolutely no pain at all. Everything just seemed louder, but that was it. However, wrong decisions made it severe. I'm not the only one with a similar progression.

But I don't want to end my post at a hopeless note so I decided to come back and edit this. I did say there are two sides or more to a story, so here's the other, less bad side. Believe it or not, I sometimes push myself to do things because living like a hermit will make me go out of my mind. I still eat at restaurants, but I ask to be seated at a quiet corner and for the music to be turned down. I still buy my own groceries, but I go to the swanky shop near my place (therefore less crowded), and I usually visit late at night. I still watch TV, but the volume is low, I keep subtitles on, and I make sure my bad ear is facing away from the screen. I still join gatherings, but I stand a bit further away from the crowd, more like at the edges, and I get the hell out of there if someone starts speaking on a microphone. I still go on car rides when necessary, but I choose the vehicles I get on carefully (e.g., I will not get in a compact car).

In all cases, I also pop in my earplugs, sometimes earmuffs. The proper ear protection has given me a bit of my life back.

 

[Bill Bauer]

The earth isn't flat. You can't write your way out of that.

LOL "No way that those giraffes have those long necks! Stop believing your lying eyes." I am guessing that your statement above means that you Can't use your theory to explain my experiences (and the experiences of the many people whom I quoted), but you still think that your theory is a complete theory that everyone can safely use to make life and death decisions that have a chance in resulting in debilitating tinnitus. Got you.

Recently I quoted the post below, and I invited Ed and Tinker Bell to read it. I forgot to invite you to read it. Hopefully you will think twice now before telling people who don't know any better that it's ok to be reckless.

I strongly feel like the advice on these forums ruined my life.

I was always a passive person so when I read veterans posting things like "it gets better and don't over protect" I listened because I didn't have the guts to listen to my own intuition. That's what a passive person does....they don't have enough confidence in themselves to trust themselves. They seek external advice/opinions for everything. My tinnitus was no exception. I trusted the opinions of others more than my own.

My mild T turned into reactive tinnitus from hell, H, visual snow, and palipnosia. All from acoustic traumas. I don't have Lyme, I don't have MS, and I don't have cancer.

I'm only 23.

I agree it's crucical to not over protect your ears but I feel like that information was irresponsibly misconstrued on these sites. If your ears are damaged you should not follow the normal noise guidelines people with healthy ears follow. Genetically speaking as well, your ears are probably also not as strong as others and should have followed a lower decibel guideline to begin with.


I don't advocate living like a hermit either. Or living in fear. But it's irresponsible the way some of you claim "X noise levels can't hurt you". Everyone is different.


BALANCE is key. LISTEN to your body.


P.S. I will add that you can always improve too. But not becoming complacent to noise is key (in my opinion).

 

[kelpiemsp]

LOL "No way that those giraffes have those long necks! Stop believing your lying eyes." I am guessing that your statement above means that you Can't use your theory to explain my experiences (and the experiences of the many people whom I quoted), but you still think that your theory is a complete theory that everyone can safely use to make life and death decisions that have a chance in resulting in debilitating tinnitus. Got you.

Recently I quoted the post below, and I invited Ed and Tinker Bell to read it. I forgot to invite you to read it. Hopefully you will think twice now before telling people who don't know any better that it's ok to be reckless.

I absolutely can. It's not my theory but that of some of the world's leading T researchers. Which is an increased and heightened response to sound in your DCN that creates temporary hypersynchrony.

 

[Deamon22]

Very interesting, thanks @kelpiemsp

 

[Bill Bauer]

I absolutely can.

If your explanation is that it is all in my head, then I had demonstrated why that can't possibly be the case. Even Layla's post that I quoted earlier today demonstrates that it can't be the case. The post Lex made today shows that it can't be the case. In any case, the implication is that that theory is incomplete, so it can't be used to guide important decisions.

Which is an increased and heightened response to sound in your DCN that creates temporary hypersynchrony.

I keep having to address the same old tired points. Here we go again: after I got T, it hasn't occurred to me that the noises that had never harmed me were no longer safe. I would continue using my blender and vacuum cleaner. Eventually I figured out that I would get spikes afterwards. It was a very clean experiment - I would never get nervous following that noise exposure, and yet I got horrific spikes. Even when I began protecting my ears, when I picked up an old landline phone (its volume stuck at Max) and the person on the other end raised her voice, I thought nothing of it. After all, it is Just a Phone. It is only after I had to live through the most horrific (and longest) T spike I had ever had (it lasted for over three months, and had erased all of the progress I made up to that point) that I got more educated about it.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Very interesting, thanks @kelpiemsp

The only thing better than preventing a tragedy is giving someone advice, having them ignore the advice, and then learning how ignoring the advice didn't work out very well for them (to use a euphemism). So if you try kelpiemsp's approach and it doesn't work out, please share your experiences with us.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Which is an increased and heightened response to sound in your DCN that creates temporary hypersynchrony.

Then I got exposed to several seconds of music from a loudspeaker. It wasn't even crazy loud -- no one else around me was startled or bothered by it. I had instant pain when it happened though, and I instinctively covered my ears (but too late by then). I thought I was going to be fine because the pain disappeared after a bit, but it came back with a vengeance two days later while I had been in bed laying low. I was in hellish suicidal 24/7 pain for a few months. More than a year has passed since that 30-second setback and the pain is still there.

I guess if we change the definition of the word "temporary" to "more than a year", your theory would have a pretty good record of being relevant to reality.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Any comments regarding the post below, @kelpiemsp ?

I strongly feel like the advice on these forums ruined my life.

I was always a passive person so when I read veterans posting things like "it gets better and don't over protect" I listened because I didn't have the guts to listen to my own intuition. That's what a passive person does....they don't have enough confidence in themselves to trust themselves. They seek external advice/opinions for everything. My tinnitus was no exception. I trusted the opinions of others more than my own.

My mild T turned into reactive tinnitus from hell, H, visual snow, and palipnosia. All from acoustic traumas. I don't have Lyme, I don't have MS, and I don't have cancer.

I'm only 23.

I agree it's crucical to not over protect your ears but I feel like that information was irresponsibly misconstrued on these sites. If your ears are damaged you should not follow the normal noise guidelines people with healthy ears follow. Genetically speaking as well, your ears are probably also not as strong as others and should have followed a lower decibel guideline to begin with.


I don't advocate living like a hermit either. Or living in fear. But it's irresponsible the way some of you claim "X noise levels can't hurt you". Everyone is different.


BALANCE is key. LISTEN to your body.


P.S. I will add that you can always improve too. But not becoming complacent to noise is key (in my opinion).

 

[Jack Straw]

Things are heating up in here!

 

[Jack Straw]

This is getting way out of hand. The medical model that predicts hearing loss associated with loud noise exposure requires many days to weeks from the over production of glutamate to the actual destruction of nerves and synapses. What can happen instantly and relatively quickly while also lead to hyperacusis? An amped up DCN. The way to down regulate that is through stress reduction. Wearing ear plugs will only make the brain ramp up its gain and make you more likely to continue this process.

I'm not saying loud noise exposure does not lead to hearing loss and increased tinnitus... because it does. But walking around with ear plugs because you are worried about everyday normal sounds will also make you more prone to tinnitus by incentivizing your brain to turn up the gain while simultaneously creating a psychological block against sounds which are not harmful I.e any toilet flush... ever... in the history of the world.

Protecting your ears against anything louder than a conversation will lead to a life of perpetual torment from T. I do not advise

@Bill Bauer I would love to see a medical explanation for how an impulse noise causes a sudden spike in T, when the process of hearing damage from the over production of a neurotransmitter (glutamate) requires a sustained response of days to weeks.

I can give you the answer... it's in your head. Your brain, your DCN, can get over excited from increased stimuli. That can cause an immediate spike. But walking around and telling people their ears are hurt and disabled is just rubbish and fear mongering.

Do you have links on this information? I would love to read more as I have always suspected that glutamate ( which has direct effects of many other things) can also cause tinnitus.

 

[kelpiemsp]

I guess if we change the definition of the word "temporary" to "more than a year", your theory would have a pretty good record of being relevant to reality.

Actually it can be forever if you can't find a way to calm and dissociate your fear response.

 

[kelpiemsp]

Any comments regarding the post below, @kelpiemsp ?

Yeah. They way overprotected. I followed the story in real time. Refusing to leave the house and go to necessary doctors appointments because of a false fear that you have installed in people. Fear is more often the enemy.

 

[kelpiemsp]

If your explanation is that it is all in my head, then I had demonstrated why that can't possibly be the case. Even Layla's post that I quoted earlier today demonstrates that it can't be the case. The post Lex made today shows that it can't be the case. In any case, the implication is that that theory is incomplete, so it can't be used to guide important decisions.

You haven't demonstrated in anyway shape or form that these aren't caused by neurochemical responses in the brain. As we know this can be delayed or instantaneous