Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      I was informed by Brai3n that they plan to have Lenire available as of January in Belgium.
       
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    2. Ivkopivko
      Speechless

      Ivkopivko Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      don't know, probably motorsport + headphones for last years
      Any mention of promised availability in Germany, and others "not ever going to happen countries," I guess, such as Czech Rep., Slovakia, Poland, Hungary...?
       
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    3. Karl28
      No Mood

      Karl28 Member

      Location:
      Melbourne
      Tinnitus Since:
      2001 bad since 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music via headphones
      What about Australia?
       
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    4. Star64
      Stressed

      Star64 Member

      Location:
      Melbourne Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      2001
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      @PeterPan do you think Lenire will eventually make its presence here in Australia...?

      We are so far away from Europe... Treatment options for us in Australia would cost a small fortune... Especially since you have to return for re-assessment and adjustments... But if it proves successful I am sure people will endeavour to get the treatment regardless...

      Just hoping us Aussies are not forgotten... Lenire would still make big bucks here if it got approval...
       
    5. Annpann

      Annpann Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ear infection
      As far as I am aware it seems to take around 6 weeks before there is any noticeable difference to the tinnitus. There may be little to report in the first few weeks.
       
    6. Ivkopivko
      Speechless

      Ivkopivko Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      don't know, probably motorsport + headphones for last years
      Did any of you have had a chance to speculate/discuss with Neuromod or any trial participants if they tried and measured any outcomes of continued and prolonged use of Lenire?

      In particular, I refer to the snip taken from Lenire website below so they definitely are thinking of this option rather that If the treatment isn't successful in 12 weeks, the device might be used even longer. I didn't see any mention of longer use than 12 weeks in Q&A or elsewhere.

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      For me It's very hard to believe that they at least didn't try it with few people just to see what happens, or maybe the third assessment with another change of signal/timing parameters to see if it has any other benefits.

      What's your opinion, is the 12 week period the only chance to see results or is there a chance to see benefits also after this period?
       
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    7. Autumnly
      Wishful

      Autumnly Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      July/August 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      Wow, that’s late but I’m glad to hear they’re working on launching it in other countries. Hoping Germany and the UK will still get a 2019 launch.
       
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    8. zoid
      Wtf

      zoid Member

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      @Mentos this is some good news. I was doubting about mailing them, glad you did! Thanks for sharing!
       
    9. gorzakus

      gorzakus Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Hearing loss ?
      Did you get an email from them or did you ask them for information?

      I am living in Belgium so would like to know more about a release over here.
       
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    10. Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      I was already in contact with Brai3n for some months regarding their treatments and when I e-mailed them yesterday saying that I plan to try Lenire this year instead of Brai3n's treatments they replied it's a good plan and they should have Lenire available as of January, 2020.
       
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    11. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      When I was there they talked about the possibility that use of the device could stretch for far longer than 12 weeks before you see results and their support doesn't end at the end of the 4th visit. This could be due to numerous factors that are variable for everyone.

      They are still there to support you after that 4th visit. You're just getting those first four visits in with the price.

      This is why I am opting to buy mine outright when I pick it up.
       
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    12. gorzakus

      gorzakus Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Hearing loss ?
      Ok, thanks for the info!
       
    13. Mentos

      Mentos Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cracow, Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced, loud rock concert
      Does anyone know when the first devices are fitted?
       
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    14. Stakovic

      Stakovic Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1998
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
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    15. JohnAdams
      Starving

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      here
      Tinnitus Since:
      it started.
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      hearing loss
      Can I get a link to the trial info?
       
    16. annV
      Fine

      annV Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown - possibly hereditary
      You're welcome.
       

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    17. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      There's nothing wrong with being skeptical. Most people don't know what to believe, only what they wish to believe.
       
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    18. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      Not next week but the week after.
       
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    19. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      I was watching the testimonials the other night. One of them said 3 weeks; another said half way.

      I think it's best to not put any time expectations on yourself, based on other people's comments. We're all different and have different tinnitus causes and types and judging what does or doesn't happen based on someone else's experience might set you up for feeling like you've failed when you possibly haven't. And they said to me it might take longer for some... There's just no hard and fast rule.

      On another note - has anyone considered what will be the psychological effect on them if it doesn't work?

      Has anyone had that experience, like from that AM-101 trial?

      And... How do you upload photos from your mobile phone?
       
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    20. zhiyuan

      zhiyuan Member

      Location:
      China
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      sudden hearing loss
      So Lenire is the same as the University of Minnesota device?
       
    21. zoid
      Wtf

      zoid Member

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      I've also sent them an e-mail and in their reply to me they didn't specifically say it will be available in January 2020.

      To me they said they are aiming to offer Lenire alongside their other treatments in 2020.
       
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    22. Hayls32

      Hayls32 Member

      Location:
      London
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pulsatle to begin with. Noise exposure later in life
      Hello, to those of you in the waiting line, have you had any more emails from Neuromod at all? I only had the one telling me there was a wait. Ta.
       
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    23. PeterPan
      Nerdy

      PeterPan Member Advocate

      Location:
      Sydney
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Heat Exhaustion
      I hope so, I am based in Sydney. I think it will depend on the success of their product in their initial chosen markets.
       
    24. Watasha
      No Mood

      Watasha Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      To piggyback off your comments, I am rather nervous that this device's efficacy is going to let a lot of people down. There are many reasons to be hopeful, but I would not go into this expecting much improvement. One can hope though and I hope I'm wrong to be doubtful.
       
    25. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      Well in fairness they do say 2 out of 3 people benefit so if a 1000 people sign up, 333 are going to be let down.

      We'll just have to wait and see.
       
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    26. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      But even for those 667 who benefit, it's only CBT-level success, results only seen faster than with CBT.

      I think a year from now many are going to be disappointed.
       
    27. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      What do you mean CBT level success? That to me means the way you consider your tinnitus changes but if you watch the testimonials the participants talk about tinnitus going away/intensity reducing/reactivity disappearing... That doesn't happen with CBT.

      We have @kelpiemsp and the young lady on here to testify to that.
       
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    28. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) reported THI improvement of 10 points within 8 months and 13 points within 12 months in 492-patient clinical study (Cima et al., The Lancet, 2012), whereas Lenire provided a THI reduction of 12 points within 6 weeks, and that THI reduction didn't get much better than that later on either.
       
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    29. Allan1967

      Allan1967 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection
      But the THI questionnaire is subjective. I don't put any real faith in it because when I fill that in it depends on how good or shit my week has been. Plus if my mental approach to my tinnitus changes then yes I would score better but likewise if the tinnitus changes itself my mental score would be better. Perhaps this is why the scores for Lenire change quicker than the CBT because it's the actual tinnitus that changes which in turn alters the mental reaction.

      What I'm saying here is we have people stating an actual reduction in intensity; reactivity etc and there's actual science behind it. I don't think it was just a case of stimulating some part of your body with an electric current for the fun of it.

      I'm just speculating here and I could be wrong. Either way I'm about to find out.
       
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    30. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      This is technically true and but also wrong at the same time.

      CBT can only help you cope with tinnitus lowering the emotional effect on you. This can help reduce your THI scale a certain number of points.

      Lenire actually lowers your tinnitus sound level which lowers your THI as well. Just because they both lower your THI level a certain amount doesn’t mean it is equivalent to CBT. That is wrong.

      Also, since CBT is an emotional lowering of the scale and Lenire is a physical lowering, why wouldn’t you combine the two and increase the amount you can lower your THI scale?

      Lenire efficacy isn’t the same as CBT efficacy.
       
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