MuteButton

I'm not rich but buying it immediately tempts me just because I'm so darn desperate. But I'll hold myself back until (if) there's good evidence for it. Else I could just spend my money now on bogus treatments, no need to wait...

 

The ignorance here... come on people. The research, methodology, and design between these devices are identical. It is all based on the original guinea pig study done by the University of Minnesota. Y'all know that Shore had to redo her device as well? It's not surprising.

Has anyone followed the link of events?

1. The University of Minnesota did the original study.
2. Shore picked up on it and moved it forward.
3. Neuromod then picked up on it and moved it forward.
4. Both Shore and Neuromod fumbled initially.
5. Neuromod then brought in the lead researchers from the University of Minnesota to help understand why they failed.
6. Shore announces the preliminary success.
7. Neuromod announces success and races to put the device on the market (industry first funding).
8. Shore wraps up her trial, plans to release device if successful (academic first funding).
9. The University of Minnesota moves to phase 3 of a smaller trial of all three but holds the keys to the original experiments and data (just might know something the other two don't).

It's the same tech. It's just a race.

And here we are sooo confused we can't tell our right foot from our left foot. It is laughable. In one sentence you complain that the device isn't released, next you complain you don't have peer-reviewed results. Then you say release the device if it works, then you say you don't want a device released unless you see peer review results. THIS IS NOT LOGIC.

I've tried so hard to help you all understand but apparently, people don't bother reading. Uggh.

 

I just ask for a tool that eliminates my "bad days". With that I would be happy. There are certain days when my left ear "turns on" and a very invasive tinnitus appears. If I could eliminate them, my life would be almost normal.

I wonder if any of these bimodulation devices can achieve this in my non-somatic tinnitus.

 

Aren’t you the member who has been involved in the clinical trials? What information will you give us? Something? Anything?

Also, I was researching ACRN last night and came across the DeSyncra website, looks updated from when I viewed it last year. Appears more and more clinics are offering this treatment and now there have been 4,000 as opposed to 3,000 as I recall last year ‘successfully’ treated with it. It even states that many people have completely ALLEVIATED their tinnitus with treatment.

From what I understand, these new techniques as @kelpiemsp mentions is building on this ACRN and using somatosensory input to achieve greater or quicker success to changing maladaptive plasticity.

 

Perhaps @Steve might ask for such procedure. Not 100 units but 10 seems reasonable for reporting any effects?

 

Are you thinking "for free"? If so, why would they give away any units for free? I don't think they will have an issue with demand.

And if it's not for free, I don't know that @Steve has that kind of budget...

 

Is this supposed to be available in January? (At least for most of you in the USA or UK).

 

@Steve, come on Steve when are they gonna do a Q&A?

I was also having a little look through their website.

@kelpiemsp was not wrong about the Asian dude coming from Minnesota to Ireland to work for Neuromod. Dr Lim - appears professional enough.

Beats Dave from Nevada anyway selling magic pills that is the secret cure for tinnitus. What was it called again, T-Gone.

 

According to somebody here it will be available in Ireland from January - however - I would highly recommend people waiting for the evidence base to build up. Products like this with logical science to the usual common man is a selling point, for example, look at Brainsway on Facebook. Lots of likes and 5 star ratings for TMS for treating depression and recently OCD.

A quick search on Wikipedia shows no robust evidence on this working.

What we have here in England is something called NICE (National-institute-Centre-Excellence).

Now if NICE recommended MuteButton or Neuromodulation, I would purchase it without hesitation.

 

I got this from their site. It is a good read.

Phase II – Parameter Optimisation and Patient Subtyping Study:
https://www.neuromoddevices.com/content/1-company/2-clinical-advancement/e018465.full.pdf

Trial design:
The Treatment Evaluation of Neuromodulation for Tinnitus (TENT-A) study is a two-site, randomised, triple-blind, exploratory study examining three different bimodal stimulation parameter sets.

 

@Markku Thank you for the reply!!

Seems exciting. I will have lots of questions @Steve and I will work on them so that tinnitus sufferers around the world will have some insight into this new method. Thank you both for your continued work representing the tinnitus community.

If there is ever anything I can do to help I will be happy to do what I can.

I got asked by a new sufferer the other week about the current state of research and what’s going on, after about 40 minutes of telling him about what’s going on around the world I realised I actually enjoy being kept up to date with the research.

I’ve followed tinnitus research for the last 10 years lightly from a layman’s point anyway.

 

@Steve & @Markku awesome, thank you for all the work you guys put in

 

Yes and this was from last year so this study has been concluded. Somebody mentioned early on in the thread that they achieved another round of promising results from this, although not released so not to interfere with the peer review. Anyway, we will not know anymore until that is released and until @Steve gets to do a Q&A with them hopefully by the end of this month.

@attheedgeofscience I know you said you were more intrigued by Susan Shore's work but what do you make of the above poster's comment about them all working on more or less the same mechanism of action and thereby just being a race towards the market?

@Aaron123 I hope you are still around as your input into the research section has been invaluable over the years. Any input?

 

Was Dr Hubert Lim part of the original team of researchers which was done at the University of Minnesota? If that is the case then that gives a lot of weight to Neuromod's device I think.

http://bme.umn.edu/people/faculty/lim.html

This is some of the work he and his team have worked on:
http://soniclab.umn.edu/

 

What is the problem of Neuromod offering it for free? This would be the biggest advertisement opportunity for them. Marketing at its best.

 

I’m intrigued that Dr. Lim does appear to have ties to the University of Minnesota prior to Neuromod.

 

That's actually very comforting if he was part of both devices.

 

I am hyped for this.

 

I don't think they need any marketing at this point. I imagine there's already a line of people who will happily rid them of their initial batch of units. Some are in this very forum!

I see no reason why they would want to leave money on the table.

 

Me too. I’m really trying to quell my expectations though so I don’t get too depressed if this turns out not to be the answer. I believe this type of device is the only thing in the foreseeable future than can help me. I’m only two months in and struggling to accept that this may be forever.

 

I understand your feeling but your tinnitus is very new. Have hope. Natural improvements may occur.

I try to have expectations on this because FX-322 is still very distant. On the other hand, my tinnitus is not somatic. I do not know if I should be excited. Maybe not.

 

@kelpiemsp

Thank you for your post over the weekend.

I am just wondering if/what you know about the devices/technologies from Neuromod/Michigan/Minnesota?

Are they exactly the same or are there minor differences?

Do you know if they work on the same nerve?

 

So MuteButton is seeking FDA approval!?

What does this mean?

Well, a little bit of digging round on the net, all it basically means is that they have to prove the product won’t hurt you.

Anybody up to date with FDA regulations and medical devices?!

Read an article on one of those ion bracelets (that claims all sorts of health benefits) that has FDA approval class 1. The average intelligent person will know it's snake oil.

 

I heard rumors that this device has positive effect on hyperacusis?

 

Yes, @Steve mentioned it in the video from the Tinnitus Expo.

Also in a post from the MuteButton thread he said that the device should work particularly well for hyperacusis.

 

http://soniclab.umn.edu/research/neural-beamforming-tinnitus

 

Hi all,

Q&A date has been set for 3rd December.

Markku is going to set up a thread for questions. I imagine there will be a few

 

Wanted to post this here since it shows that stimulation of certain parts of the brain def reduces tinnitus!