QurAlis' QRA-244 — An Alternative for Retigabine (Trobalt)?

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    1. Tezcatlipoca
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      Hello! I have been looking into Retigabine. We all know how great it was for tinnitus (with a lot of users' tinnitus lowering to 1/10), however the side effects were many and life threatening, so it was finally discontinued in June 2017.

      Now, after looking around, I found this Pharmaceutical Company:

      QurAlis

      They are an ALS focused biotech developing a Kv 7.2/7.3 ion channel opener optimized for both safety and efficacy as a potential treatment for motor neuron hyperexcitability-induced neurodegeneration in ALS patients.

      "QRA-244 a Potent, Selective KCNQ2/3 Opener and a Potential Therapy for Motor System Hyperexcitability induced Disease Progression in ALS Patients,” showed that QRA-244 has comparable effects to retigabine (ezogabine) at up to 20-fold lower concentration in motor neurons differentiated from patient-derived iPSCs as measured by an all-optical electrophysiology experiment. Importantly, QRA-244 showed dramatic reductions in side effects associated with retigabine including fatigue/somnolence, dizziness and bladder retention in head-to-head pre-clinical studies."
      The full article can be found here:

      QurAlis' Selective Kv7 Opener, a Drug Candidate for ALS, Demonstrates up to 20-Fold Increase in Potency and Dramatic Reduction in Side Effects Compared to Retigabine in Preclinical Models
       
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    2. serendipity1996
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      Great find. Hopefully they will start clinical development soon. I think Xenon is furthest along with their Retigabine reformulations - XEN-496 is now entering Phase 3.
       
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      Interesting. I remember reading about them but I am not really knowledgeable about their reformulation. Were they able to get rid of the side effects too?
       
    4. serendipity1996
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      Yes, their intention with reformulation was to get a safer product without the side effects of the original Retigabine. Although being realistic I am guessing it's not free of side effects but hopefully none that would land them with a black-box warning...
       
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    5. Croaker
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      XEN-496 is the same active molecule as Retigabine. XEN-1101 is their newer molecule with reduced side effects.
       
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      So we can expect the same side effects for XEN-496, but fewer side effects for XEN-1101?
       
    7. Croaker
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      Probably. XEN-1101 is in Phase 2. Xenon Pharma claimed that no adverse events occurred in Phase 1. I’m not sure if they’re looking for the visual snow problems that Retigabine had, it seems like fixing the urinary retention and skin pigmentation were their biggest concerns.

      Edit: no serious adverse events, except for somebody who passed out from having their blood drawn :D
       
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      Oh so it's safe now? That's fantastic!
       
    9. weab00
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      What is the mechanism of action for channel blockers possibly ameliorating hyperacusis?
       
    10. Croaker
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      Along with the anecdotes we’ve got on here, there’s this from Dr. Fuchs.

      Relevant part of the abstract:

      “Here, we show that type II afferents are activated when outer hair cells are damaged. This response depends on both ionotropic (P2X) and metabotropic (P2Y) purinergic receptors, binding ATP released from nearby supporting cells in response to hair cell damage. Selective activation of P2Y receptors increased type II afferent excitability by the closure of KCNQ-type potassium channels, a potential mechanism for the painful hypersensitivity (that we term “noxacusis” to distinguish from hyperacusis without pain) that can accompany hearing loss. Exposure to the KCNQ channel activator retigabine suppressed the type II fiber’s response to hair cell damage.”​
       
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      So theoretically, if we can restore OHCs using FX-322, would this stop noxacusis?

      If FX-322 doesn’t help, how long would we need to take Retigabine for?

      Which Retigabine drug is closest to come out in the market?
       
    12. Matchbox

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      It opens the channels, it doesn't close them. Big difference. It isn't a fast acting inhibitor, more like a threshold setter channel making it more hyperpolarized via K ion slippage.
       
    13. xyz
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      To open the Potassium channels, does it make sense to supplement with Potassium? I think there are some studies which show correlation between high Potassium intake and better ear health, but has it also some effect on the Potassium channels?
       
    14. Aaron91
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      My theory and research into this has always suggested yes. Before the Phase 2 readout I was planning on making a post going into further detail as to why but having had the rug pulled from under our feet I can't be bothered now. I know that @100Hz has also been doing some similar research but I'm not at liberty to say much more. OHCs to me are the culprit. I think @FGG has some reservations in that sensitisation may remain even after you've fixed/replaced the OHCs. I'm a little more hopeful about this just from looking at other examples of peripheral-centralised pain as well as from looking at a lot of anecdotal experiences of hyperacusis - many people get better, suggesting then that sensitisation is reversible, at least in some people and to some extent.
       
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    15. FGG
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      Oh I don't believe it's irreversible, just that it's not a quick fix. I was just speculating that whatever works for noxacusis might have a lag time for desensitization to occur.
       
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      Which Retigabine drug is closest to coming out in the market?

      I had a look at XEN-496 and it’s going to take them awhile for them to complete Phase 3. It has a study completion date of December 2022.
       
    17. Matchbox

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      No. K ions leak from the inside to the outside of the membrane to maintain constant charge delta.

      More on the outside will do nothing unless you were deficient.

      K channel drugs help to increase the charge differential (hyperpolarization) by opening pores to let K ions slip out of the cell.
       
    18. Matchbox

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      XEN-496 will work. The mechanism is sound as f. Hugs Kv7.1 subunits like white on rice.

      XEN-1101 is pretty novel in its shape and mechanism, but same target.
       
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    19. Matchbox

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      Cilantro and compounds in blueberries / onions & kale (you need to eat a lot) also contain natural KNCQ family channel openers.
       
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    20. Croaker
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      I hate cilantro... :sick:
       
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      Do you think they will be safe?
       
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    22. 100Hz
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      I'm a bit hazy on this, haven't done much on it for a while but the conclusion I came to is that FX-322 could work as long as it either, a) fixed wherever rogue ATP / cytokines etc. were being released from (so if the broken ATP release site was replaced by PCA process then it would fix it but if it was from a gap junction hemi-channel for instance then maybe not as it might not be covered by the scope of PCA), or b) if noxacusis is down to enlarged ribbons then FX-322 could replace the OHCs that have enlarged ribbons but only if they were damaged enough to be flagged for PCA.

      What Trobalt's mechanism suggests to me from what I read about it is that it masks, or disables the tinnitus causing mechanism (and I hope the pain causing mechanism as well), and not just that but it seems to do it very consistently in comparison to other meds. FX-322 has much more of unknown factor about it where noxacusis is concerned in my opinion because a) we don't typically have much apparent hearing loss and b) people with loads of hearing loss typically don't have noxacusis.

      I believe Xen etc. would need to be taken for life, but hope also (complete speculation this bit) maybe as a preventative measure for when you wanted to do something noisy if it wasn't a requirement to keep it sustained at a constant level in the system.
       
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      But can it be taken for life? Or long periods of time?
       
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