Reactive Tinnitus — Removal of Reactivity. Is It Possible?

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    1. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      Sigh, no, it happened the day after I took a benzo.
       
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    2. missingsilence
      Depressed

      missingsilence Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Hell on Earth
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who am I kidding, its got to be noise :/
      At what decibel level should we put in our earplugs?
       
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    3. MindOverMatter

      MindOverMatter Member

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      2004/05
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown (possibly stress related, and later sound induced)
      In general over 85 dB (prolonged sound exposure) if you have issues with loudness, sensitivity, and the likes.

      However, if your measured LDL is way below this, you need to be more careful.

      But, at one point, it's all a matter of balance to when protect and not. Remember that if you protect precautiously to possible loud sound exposure, you strengthen a pattern of fear towards sounds.

      A constant fear driven "what if..." mind to life is not easy to deal with...
       
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    4. missingsilence
      Depressed

      missingsilence Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Hell on Earth
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who am I kidding, its got to be noise :/
      Would you say it is safe to be around noises 70 to 75 dB without earplugs?
       
    5. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      Well mine rides over AC/pretty much anything and then doesn't come back down for the rest of the day. There are many types of reactive tinnitus. I just had to sell my house and move to another place with quieter AC. So for someone like @Michael Leigh to say this is hyperacusis, when I am literally living it, is ridiculous.

      Then today it is imperceptible after a shower... again... because of BENZOS. Not noise damage. Jesus.

      But I'm not trying to hijack this girl's thread. It is a thing. End of story.
       
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    6. MindOverMatter

      MindOverMatter Member

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      2004/05
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown (possibly stress related, and later sound induced)
      For most people it's safe, yes, as sound at these levels - generally speaking (!) - is harmless. When you have sound sensitivity/reactivity and such, you might feel annoyed or spike due to it. Normally only temporary though, but this is very individual. We all experience this somewhat different. To me it's often more about the frequency and type of sound, and not necessarily only about loudness.
       
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    7. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      I decided not to reply to your previous post because I realize you have a lot to learn about noise induced tinnitus and what can cause a resurgence in the condition after a long habituation period. You are now being disrespectful and therefore, I will not be corresponding with you further. If you continue on this path I will place you on ignore.

      Goodbye and I wish you well,
      Michael
       
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    8. UKBloke
      Caffeine

      UKBloke Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1991
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud Music / family history
      Exactly my situation too.
       
    9. Wrfortiscue
      Cowabunga

      Wrfortiscue Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Trauma
      Same. Mine doesn’t just spike louder, it makes the frequency go higher pitch or behavior haywire. Hard to explain. Hard to ignore it sometimes. Gradually worsening (higher pitch and more frequent haywire episodes).
       
    10. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful. I am telling you what happened to me.

      But now I know that no medications can cause reactive tinnitus, and everyone here who suffers from it is lying.

      I was blind, but now I can see the light! Thanks Michael!
       
    11. andronici

      andronici Member

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Antidepressant, Acoustic trauma
      What benzo were you taking / what dosage / for how long? It made your existing tinnitus become reactive?
       
    12. SmallRonnie
      Ape-like

      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Ireland
      Tinnitus Since:
      2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      If I don't wear hearing protection here all day, then the noise of the fridge gives me a lot of pain. Even getting pain now through earmuffs from probably typing.
       
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    13. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      I cold turkeyed in 2020 after 4 years of 0.5mg/day with no issues.

      I reinstated in January, which was a horrible mistake. Right after electrical tinnitus started, but it followed a distinct pattern of 1 day on, 1 day off. When it's bad, it's literally catastrophic and I cannot function.

      I just made the connection in July -- my idiot TRT specialist said it was my anxiety so I've been poisoning myself for 6 months straight. As I wean off I've been getting more good days, although all my mornings are shit now. So I'm really hoping once I'm off completely, it'll settle down.
       
    14. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      A person is entitled to their opinion and if they don't agree with something I say, I haven't got a problem with that. When corresponding with someone especially in writing, it is important to be respectful even when you disagree. It was your choice of words I had issue with and not that you disagreed with me.

      You refer to your TRT specialist as an idiot, and this clarifies my point and shows the type of person you are.

      Respect and manners are very important.

      Michael
       
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    15. andronici

      andronici Member

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Antidepressant, Acoustic trauma
      I'm glad you had no issues -- benzo withdrawal can be a nightmare from what I've read.
      Yeah, reinstating psychiatric medication can cause massive issues. I had a horrible adverse reaction from trying to reinstate Fluoxetine, which is how I wound up getting tinnitus, hyperacusis, ear pain, plus a host of other non-ear issues.
      Doctors are always quick to blame things on "anxiety" or "depression," it's so frustrating.
      I hope so, too! I have my fingers crossed for you. Glad you are getting some good days.
       
    16. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      Good news is I know a guy who had bad tinnitus from Fluoxetine for 6 months, then it faded to almost nothing.
       
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    17. ZFire
      Movie buff

      ZFire Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012 (mild) & 04/2021 (severe)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ototoxicity (2012) Unknown-likely noise induce (2021)
      Add me to the list too. The type of sound will bring back reactive tones I haven’t heard in a while. It stays with me for a few days (a week at most), then dies down. I always anticipate its return.
       
    18. Eliska
      Scared

      Eliska Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection
      Thank you @Michael Leigh for your reply and links, I will go through them.

      My tinnitus is directly connected to middle ear infection. I had it for two weeks, took antibiotics and then the tinnitus appeared. I had no prior acoustic trauma. I occasionally used headphones and live in a big city, but that's all.

      Sometimes toxic metabolites from bacteria can travel to inner ear and damage hair cells.
       
    19. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      You are welcome Eliska. As I previously mentioned, an ear infection can cause tinnitus. Once the infection clears up the tinnitus usually subsides but it can take a while.

      All the best,
      Michael
       
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    20. Jcb
      No Mood

      Jcb Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      December 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      possible TMJ, came on after severe cold and chest infection,
      Some people still riding on that high tinnitus horse I see... :coffee:
       
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    21. Marcuso22

      Marcuso22 Member

      Location:
      Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud prolonged exposure to alarm system
      Not sure what you mean by 'here'. Is that in your home, apartment or office? My fridge compressor creates a louder tonal sound in my right ear but over time with using sound therapy, it masks it & is less noticeable even without sound therapy depending on time of day. It's usually very noticeable first thing in morning & when I don't get a good night's sleep. The compressor is working hardest when it first comes on & just before it shuts off. This directly coincides with when the sound I perceive is most noticeable.

      If you're able to replace your fridge, you may want to see if that helps. First see if other people's fridges causes you same problems. At first when I was aware of this happening to me, I tried to use earplugs but that only made my tinnitus worse even though I only wore them for a brief time for couple weeks. The reason it's not advisable to wear earplugs all day or even for hours at a time is because you can end up with a very bad case of hyperacusis, meaning your sound tolerance will be much lower than normal, creating another major issue. Best to find an alternate safer method to help you with your ear pain.
       
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    22. SmallRonnie
      Ape-like

      SmallRonnie Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Ireland
      Tinnitus Since:
      2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Factory noise + Headphones + Clubbing + Vaccine? + Stress
      I mean in my home. My workplace is in the same room as a fridge but I might move it to a new room.

      I went to a therapist who encouraged me to get back to my life so I was adding more sounds in all the time. I just went too far with it and got back to worse than square one. I've had burning pain in my ears in silence for the past month. Actually I had one day without pain; when I was wearing earmuffs all day long.

      I feel like I need to wear earmuffs until the pain goes away because I'm only making it worse if I don't cover up and it'll never recover like that. I just woke up and I'm in burning pain already. The only noise is some cars driving by outside. Maybe the pain is because yesterday I tried letting in a little noise from my fridge.
       
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    23. Aline Mohymont

      Aline Mohymont Member

      Location:
      Los Angeles
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neomycin drops and Z-pack and methylprednisolone
      It is the same thing with mine. My tinnitus is caused by ototoxic medication, not by an acoustic trauma. My tinnitus is loud all the time, high pitch hissing, but it gets louder with every sound and will compete with everything to be louder to a point that it won’t let me hear anything else. Forget about watching TV. After a few minutes, I struggle to hear anything that is not just the actors talking and the music. And even the dialogues and scores get lost into my tinnitus after a while.

      And then there are the distortions where songs I used to know don’t sound the same anymore. And that the fun starts when I’m near a light bulb or any electronic devices emitting low frequencies. I hear those frequencies as popping Krispies. Then there is the microphone feedback effect I hear over running water, fans, ACs, fridges, microwaves, city traffic, etc. How do we deal with that?

      But coming back to reactive tinnitus. I can’t even scratch my head without making my tinnitus increase in volume. I would be ok if my tinnitus would stay at its baseline, but it doesn’t. It’s just hell. I’m 3 months in with these conditions.
       
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    24. Nick47

      Nick47 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @Aline Mohymont, yes mine is similar. Are both of your ears affected?
       
    25. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      Why were you taking benzos if it was quiet?
       
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    26. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      I smoked a giant bong rip, did not sleep because it got loud (always does, but it was a little worse after the car alarm), woke up after like 1 hour of sleep to loud tinnitus. Fell asleep, it was back to pretty much normal. Freaked me out so I thought taking Clonazepam would be a good idea -- it was actually the worst idea.

      I told my psych that I only wanted to take it for spike days, he said "stay ahead of it and take it every day".

      My loud before Clonazepam was being able to hear it over the TV, but not outside.
      My loud now, after reinstating Clonazepam, is being able to hear it over a jet engine.

      But keep in mind I cold turkeyed in 2020 after 4 years of 0.5 mg/day. I was never told you weren't supposed to take it for more than 2 weeks, and my old psych said I could just stop since it was a "baby dose". I actually didn't have any bad side effects when I c/t'd-- in fact, my tinnitus got substantially better to the point where nothing would spike it, not even no sleep or alcohol or weed.

      Reinstating must have created a paradoxical reaction -- literally the day after all these crazy electrical noises started, and then it got worse and worse for the following months. But it was blamed on anxiety by the audiologist I went to see, and my current psychiatrist. So basically I stayed on the drug that was causing this back and forth shit for 6 months before tapering.

      So basically, while I did ask for the Clonazepam, I was failed by 2 psychiatrists, 1 TRT idiot, countless doctors, and the scammers in Korea.

      Some days are like before, like this morning -- woke up to almost my old baseline, which is nothing. Other days are like a laser beam in my head. My taper will take 300 days at the rate I'm going at now.

      Don't touch that shit!!!
       
    27. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      @BrysonKingMe, so you were seeing a psychiatrist prior to getting your tinnitus? May I ask what for?
       
    28. BrysonKingMe

      BrysonKingMe Member

      No, I was not. I found him online and he had availability the next day. If there was a bit more spacing between the freak out and me getting that first bottle of Clonazepam, I probably would have realized it was the Clonazepam the first time I took it again.

      The happiest time of my life was from 2020 - end of 2021, benzo free. It felt like someone had pulled me out of a cloud.

      On BenzoBuddies, there are reports (rare) of electrical/reactive tinnitus starting after just 1 dose of benzo, with no prior use. Again, that is probably super rare, and my discontinuation method definitely attributed to this now. It is maddening going from near silence to shrieking electrical lasers in my head.
       
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    29. Aline Mohymont

      Aline Mohymont Member

      Location:
      Los Angeles
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neomycin drops and Z-pack and methylprednisolone
      Yes. It’s very loud. Constantly high hissing that I can even feel physically in my neck and ears. And it gets worse with noises.
       
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