Clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril)

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by erik, May 29, 2012.

    1. tpj
      Torn

      tpj Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2008
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      probably noise
      I understand that feeling of wanting to rip the band-aid off but if you really want to do this, it has to be a slow taper.
       
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    2. emmalee
      No Mood

      emmalee Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      A fast taper is very unwise, instead, a slow and steady taper is advisable. Cold turkey is never suggested when coming off of a benzodiazepine. The resulting withdrawal symptoms can be much more intense than what you are dealing with right now.
       
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    3. Strawberryblonde
      Greedy

      Strawberryblonde Member

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      1st mild (12/2015) mild-mod (5/2022)
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      Many reasons who truly knows
      A compound pharmacist can help with a taper. They can do all the precise measurements and taper you off as safely as can be done.
       
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    4. Diego LR

      Diego LR Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2020
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      Unkown
      I am confused, last Monday Dr. De Ridder told me that someone can build dependency, but NOT tolerance to Clonazepam. I am surprised as many people on Tinnitus Talk talk about needing to up the dose for it to stay effective. I have recently been taking 0.5 mg every other day for sleeping, but worrying about the dangers of staying on it. However, if there are no tolerance issues, I'd be happy to be on Clonazepam for the rest of my life as I can see some benefits on the 1 mg dose.

      What do people think about this?
       
    5. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

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      UK
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      2015
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      Viral/noise
      That surprises me as when he spoke with Hazel on the Tinnitus Talk Podcast, he mentioned that eventually 'the body ignores it.' So he clearly changed his opinion. I think if there was no risk of tolerance, then many of us here would use it everyday.

       
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    6. Travis Henry
      Cynical

      Travis Henry Member

      Location:
      Dallas,TX
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      10/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      1 Moderna Vac, Noise and stress I guess, its killing me
      All I know is I'd still have a livable level of tinnitus and some sound tolerance if I hadn't been pushed to take Clonazepam everyday. You probably build tolerance and get worse. I would stay away from all drugs if I were you. If you can live without drugs and eat a low inflammation diet and fast a lot, I feel that is the best way at healing. Live as cleanly as possible and protect your ears like fine china from all loud noises.
       
    7. Diego LR

      Diego LR Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unkown
      Did you respond badly to the Clonazepam from the beginning, or once you started tapering? Did it stop working for you at some point?
      That's confusing.
       
    8. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

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      UK
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      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @Diego LR, it doesn't help getting mixed messages. Although I think it's individual, so I wouldn't worry. There are members on here that have taken Clonazepam daily for 6-7 years and it's substantially useful to them. I have noticed they take it 'at the same time' as Gabapentin, so there may be a synergistic effect that reduces tolerance gain.

      Stay Strong.
       
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    9. linearb
      Psychedelic

      linearb Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      I've reduced from 900 mg Gabapentin to 300 mg, split now to 100 mg pills, looking at cutting to 200 mg, then 100 mg. I will probably stay on the last 100 mg for a while because I have heard there's often significant insomnia with losing the last bit of it.

      I'm still on 2 mg/day of Klonopin.

      No plans on Klonopin reduction at this time, but if I end up feeling okay some months post Gabapentin, I might very slowly and cautiously see what happens when I start to work down. I've done slow tapers off benzos twice so I sort of know what to expect, and what warning signs would be that actually the benefit of the drug is still much outweighing the downsides.

      I have to admit that the more screechy, oscillatory parts of my tinnitus do seem to maybe be more pronounced again, which may be a result of Gabapentin reduction, but so far I am not actually thinking about it or actively experiencing it much more often than I was 3 months ago, so, if the upshot is that the subjective audiological severity is worse off the drug but my brain has plasticized around living with this well enough that I still don't think about it much -- I'd prefer to not take the damn pills, of course.

      The reason is, I was starting to have anger issues which I had read can occur with extended Gabapentin use, and also I think it's kind of a weird drug and I'd prefer to not be on it indefinitely.

      If I can withdraw from one thing, then attempting the same with Klonopin, or at least attempting a reduction, makes sense.

      At this point I don't trust global supply lines to not leave me completely screwed at some point. My insurance policy is a 750 mg bag of Norflurazepam (legal analog) but that would be super dangerous to screw with, it's my doomsday plan for tapering if I somehow lose access to my pharma supply, because I am not willing to be dependent on benzos in 2022 without having enough on hand to taper, yet, my doctor didn't want to give me an extra 6 months of Klonopin ;)

      (My doctor does know about my doomsday box, he doesn't love it but he thinks I am weirdly informed and make weirdly informed decisions on this stuff...)

      Crossposting in Gabapentin (Neurontin) thread.
       
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    10. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      04/1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      My ENT doctor prescribed me Clonazepam in 2008, with the advice to only take it when the tinnitus is severe. The dose is 2x 0.5 mg tablets. It reduces my tinnitus over 12 hours to tolerable levels or complete silence. The doctor mentioned not to take it too regularly as dependence can set in with unpleasant side effects. She also said that the body will quickly habituate to it if regularly taken and then more needs to be taken for it to be effective which can lead to addiction.

      I have never had a problem with Clonazepam in 12 years, and found it immensely helpful. It won't work for everyone.

      I have recently found out that if a person is driving a vehicle in the UK and is stopped by the police and breathalyzed, if Clonazepam is detected in the body over the limit, they will be charged for drug driving.

      Michael
       
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    11. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

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      12/19
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      Sshl
      They can’t do a breathalyzer for benzos lol. You serious?
       
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    12. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Noise induced
      You are correct. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice my mistake.

      Since you know the correct method for testing for drug driving, there is no need for me to enlighten you.

      Michael
       
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    13. Luman
      Spaced

      Luman Member Benefactor

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      Brooklyn
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      07/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Intermittent Tinnitus probably noise induced
      You will likely become dependent, taking it several times a week. For some people, including myself, continued usage causes long-term post-withdrawal syndrome which took me almost two years to recover from, unless perhaps you go through a complex slow tapering process that can also take a very long time.

      These drugs were originally intended to treat seizures, not tinnitus distress or anxiety. Clonazepam is very powerful and has a terrible reputation for exacerbating tinnitus. I would advise against the use of any and all benzos, especially this one.

      As an alternative, if cannabis is legal in your area, some of the pure Indica strains may help you sleep, with few other psychoactive effects, and no risk of withdrawal or other dangers that are associated with benzos.
       
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    14. Travis Henry
      Cynical

      Travis Henry Member

      Location:
      Dallas,TX
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      10/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      1 Moderna Vac, Noise and stress I guess, its killing me
      Many lives have been lost and ruined by benzos; especially tinnitus sufferers who made the mistake of being on Clonazepam daily.

      I am stuck at 1.5 mg daily and I have worse tinnitus than I could have ever imagined being able to live with. I wish more people were like you and advocated for people to stay away from benzos. I am afraid getting on Clonazepam has been the death of me. I lost all sound tolerance and am not sure how to get off it without dying. I'm barely living with the level I'm at. I've been on Clonazepam since June. My doctor and family recommended and asked over and over if I'm taking my prescription like I'm supposed to. Poison it is. Using it only every now and then is also bad for healing, imho.
       
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    15. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      Toronto, Canada
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      06/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise
      You can take Clonazepam. The trick is not to exceed 0.5 mg/day. It saved me when I first got tinnitus.
       
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    16. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

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      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @Luman, 2 years is a long time. I presume you took it daily.

      How many years did you take it for? What dosage did you taper from?
       
    17. AfroSnowman
      Balanced

      AfroSnowman Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      04/2019
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      Nonnatural energy source
      Got to say many people post about how marijuana spikes their tinnitus. It is the one thing that spikes mine temporally.
       
    18. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

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      2015
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      Viral/noise
      @dan, how long did you take it for and what was the taper like?
       
    19. Luman
      Spaced

      Luman Member Benefactor

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      Brooklyn
      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Intermittent Tinnitus probably noise induced
      Due to symptoms of an undiagnosed autoimmune illness, before I had tinnitus, I took low doses of Alprazolam a few times a week for about 5 years, starting in 2005, and tapered quickly in 2010, without too many problems.

      I took it again for a few weeks in 2016, several times a week, and after stopping I had difficulties that lasted for a few months, but I did not realize that this was likely caused by an effect from multiple withdrawals known as kindling.

      I acquired tinnitus in the summer of 2017 and took Clonazepam for four months, a few times a week. The total amount of Clonazepam that I took, over the course of four months in 2017, was less than many users take in one week. I tapered at the end of 2017 over the course of a few weeks. I had withdrawal symptoms that were mostly mental for a few weeks but had very bad Protracted Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome symptoms, which lasted all of 2018, and most of 2019. I literally thought that my life would soon be over. The Clonazepam after-effects caused me to have the absolute worst period of my entire life, for nearly two years.

      I would urge extreme caution to anybody considering taking benzos, for any reason, because this has happened to others who thought that they would be safe in taking small amounts of Clonazepam, or other less powerful benzos, several times a week, even after a very short period of use. I would have been far better off dealing with tinnitus in other ways and letting habituation take its course, which it eventually did.
       
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    20. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      Toronto, Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise
      I took it for 3 months and it took 3x as long to taper off them. I was down to the smallest crumb you could possibly cut, and it still spiked my tinnitus between tapers, but the spikes were not catastrophic and took 3 days to calm down, then I would keep that dosage until I felt stabilized.
       
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    21. Travis Henry
      Cynical

      Travis Henry Member

      Location:
      Dallas,TX
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      1 Moderna Vac, Noise and stress I guess, its killing me
      I agree with this guy's opinion. I hope someone who is considering to take benzos sees this and decides not to. This could be life saving. I am upset that doctors and so many people push benzos so much when it would be better to ride out the symptoms than screw with things when they are already screwed up. Better off finding natural ways to get on with it. IHMO. I wonder how many people have been killed by benzos on here when they would still be alive if they hadn't gone down that path. @Brian P comes to mind.

      "Benzos for short period of time has no value to any individual. If you have bad anxiety, then taking benzos for 6 weeks won't help as once off, your anxiety increases, same as insomnia and other disorders.

      Some people develop physical dependence within the first 2 weeks.

      Medical supervision means nothing as most doctors and psychiatrists are not benzo aware and trained. They detox people too fast, causing more damage to your body.

      Some think that short them use is okay to be cold turkeyed. That is very toxic and neurologically damaging.

      Decades ago people were told that cigarettes are totally fine. it was part of your lifestyle. Decades ago leaded petrol was fine until they discovered how damaging it is to you. That's why we have unleaded petrol now.

      Benzos have absolutely no short term or long term benefits. The only exception is a pre-surgery medication. One off use. Absolutely fine. My doctor just wanted me to be cold turkeyed. I have to buy my taper from black market. Glad that exists. Depends where you live. Where I come from, doctors won't give benzos just like that. Unless you have a terminal illness, a few months left to live or pre-surgery. Here in the UK they throw benzos at you like snow balls. US is even worse. It's the most useless medication known to man.

      What is medical supervision anyway? They have no clue how your body is reacting to it in the background and if you have some side effects, they just tell you to ride it off or give you other benzos that cause the same danger. Same as with antidepressants.

      Benzos are highly addictive and coming off them makes heroin look like a child's toy. If i have to make a choice between heroin and benzos, I would choose heroin without doubt. Benzos are a money making industry. They should not be legal for regular use."​

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    22. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

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      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @Travis Henry, you have to take responsibility and stop blaming others. We all have choices to make!
       
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