University of Minnesota Tinnitus Research with Acoustic and Body Stimulation

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    1. hans799
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      I mentioned neural networks in the sense that Dr Shore models the brain parts responsible for tinnitus as a feedforward neural network, and uses this model to arrive at the correct timings. So to replicate the timings we'd need to come up with a similar model, which would require serious neural networks expertise.

      But in this case we're talking about a literal network of living neurons, not neural networks in the machine learning sense (although that would surely be cool).

      For example, see this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566901/
       
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    2. GregCA
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      Ah ok, thanks for clarifying! I thought you meant in the machine learning sense, and that triggered my curiosity!
       
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    3. Paulmanlike

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      Just let the woman do it for you, don’t build machines, leave it to the expert Susan Shore.
       
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    4. SuntoryTime
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      That's an educated guess. Large scale Phase III trials tend to take years, realistically 3 to 5. The Shore device will arrive before FTX's more complex technology because it has been in the clinical trial pipeline longer. I'd be delighted to be wrong about this and have both technologies available sooner. But I guess I can wait a little longer. I am now surviving on sheer force of will.
       
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    5. MadsWithT
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      By evaluating the various possible treatments from a layman’s perspective. Hence, my opinion is subjective. I’ll certainly respect other opinions but I won’t go into a long chain of arguments on the merits of the range of different venues being explored in order to cure tinnitus. I understand that you are in favor of some drug. If that drug turns out to cure the ailment, I would be very happy. However this thread concerns the bi-Modal avenue. I would be very happy if that works. That’s how I figure things.
       
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    6. JohnAdams
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      I highly recommend you look into this some drug.
       
    7. MadsWithT
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      Sure.
       
    8. Paulmanlike

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    9. Rafahyperacusis

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      Do you think this is gonna work for people who has H too @kelpiemsp ?
       
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    10. PDodge
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      When is this trial supposed to end?
       
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    11. Don Tinny

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      Perhaps it was already asked before. Are Minnesota's trials for somatic tinnitus? or are they more similar to Neuromod's?
       
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    12. spedgas
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      I have no idea where they are in the process. Does anybody have any idea where the University of Minnesota is in the process and what their expected end date is?

      I’m also wondering if there will be any issues with Hubert Lim being poached by Neuromod. How involved was he at the University of Minnesota?
       
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      Just last night my wife said "wow your tinnitus must be better" I said "why's that?" She replied...well a balloon popped and you didn't run out of the room. I paused and was like...huh. So yes, it really does. I was sensitive to all sound above 60 db for quite some time.

      All signal timing is the same, it IS using a somatic pathway. Will have to wait for more information.

      December 31st, 2018

      I'm super curious about this. I think Lim is still running this trial. If I had to guess, he will be in both spaces. It makes sense from Neuromods point of view. Neuromod probably brought on Lim to acquire IP from the trial at the UofM.
       
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    14. parsky

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      This is pretty cool. Hopefully the only side effect is increased happiness!
       
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    15. PDodge
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    16. Johan_L

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      So... Your sensitivity to sound improved? Did/do you have H?

      Also.. December 31st was yesterday! Is the trial over now?
       
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    17. duder12

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      I finished the trial but we have not gotten a final report that I am aware of. I have tinnitus/high frequency hearing loss in both ears and can modulate it with my jaw.

      My personal opinion is that it did nothing for me.

      My tinnitus was fairly new before my treatment though so I was getting used to it as the trial went on. I'm going to try and see if it gets worse now that the trial is done but I'm guessing it will be the same.
       
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    18. MadsWithT
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      Say, you write that Meniere's decease is your cause of tinnitus. I mean to recall that that particular cause was a exclusion point form these trials? Or am I wrong?
       
    19. Don Tinny

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      It sounds pretty hopeless. It is assumed that these devices (Minnesota and Michigan) are more effective than the MuteButton. :unsure:
       
    20. Bill_
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      Considering that his tinnitus was caused by Mèniere's I wouldn’t throw my hopes out of the window just yet. Mèniere's might very well be a rather „special“ case.
       
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    21. Manny
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      @kelpiemsp per your status you now have silence?? Wow!! May I please hear more?
       
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    22. hans799
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      Wow! Looking forward to his reply :)

      T is behaving badly this evening. A dose of hope is nice.
       
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    23. Jack Straw
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      Start the hype train for biomodal stimulation?
       
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    25. Manny
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      How can I rate a post "hug" and "good question" at the same time?
       
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    26. hans799
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      Well, with @Clare B and @kelpiemsp both reporting silence from various bimodal treatments, plus an encouraging study from Dr Shore last January and even more encouraging preliminary results from Neuromod in the Q&A, the hype train is starting to move I think
       
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    27. Jack Straw
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      Haha looks like we’ll be getting drinks sooner than I thought!

      I know this isn’t neuromod but it proves for a FACT that this type of technology works from a legit forum member. Great news today everyone!
       
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    29. hans799
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      If you look, it was actually @kelpiemsp who started this thread and brought Minnesota to our attention. He pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.
       
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    30. EDDTEKK

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      Why he doesn’t share such experience in this thread :( we need some hope and success stories.
       
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