Will You Get Vaccinated for Coronavirus (COVID-19)? Can It Make Tinnitus or Hyperacusis Worse?

Warning mini rant/TED Talk:

I think MDs and public health professionals share some degree of blame for the rise of anti vaxxers (celebrities, conspiracy theorists and social media have the rest).

Instead of giving people nuanced information about vaccines, they really downplay the idea that there is *any* risk to them. And this (rightfully so) builds huge mistrust.

If instead, it was discussed like say peanut allergies in children where a discussion might look like: "it's very highly unlikely to cause a problem but everyone's immune system is different and there is always a chance your son or daughter could get a severe reaction from a Reese's cup."

Instead, the debate is centered around two groups: vaccines are uniformly "toxic" or vaccines are uniformly safe. Neither is the whole picture, as it depends entirely on the individuals immune system. What clinical trials aim to show is that it is "almost always" safe, which of course is not the same as "always."

The discussion should also include that vaccination is a cost/benefit equation and should be taken when the disease is a great risk to you or members of your family. COVID-19 definitely fits this criteria when you consider not just mortality (especially in high risk groups) but chronic debilitation after damage to the heart, lungs and even CNS.

Personally, I have given thousands of vaccines in my career as a vet. The diseases I vaccinated for fit this bill (I was not one to push for things like the ringworm vaccine): they were highly contagious and very serious. I saw many more dogs get sick (and die) of Distemper and Parvo then vaccine reactions (by far).

But are they always safe? No. A very small amount of dogs will get, for example, immune mediated hemolytic anemia following a vaccine and, if not treated aggressively with immunosuppressive drugs, can be fatal. These dogs should never be vaccinated again once they recover.

In cats, there is a kind of cancer that is associated with vaccination, "vaccine associated fibrosarcoma" but it effects about one in every 10000 to 30000 cats. Most of the vets I worked with would counsel owners and say, this is a rare but serious problem and to minimize this we giving vaccines only as often as needed and if the cat is not outdoors, sometimes they only get the kitten series for FVRCP (feline herpesvirus can cause a lot of long term immune problems for cats and sometimes contributes to even serious systemic disease and is most often transmitted to kittens). Cats are also given vaccines in a place amenable to aggressive surgery if they develop a vaccine associated fibrosarcoma (this is a little bit of a tangent but some cats have the kind of immune and fibroblast abnormalities that can get neoplastic changes even if plain saline is delivered subQ with a needle, they just have poor immune control genes).

Anyway, the point is, anti vaxxers probably have heard (true) stories about people getting things like GBS from vaccines and they feel lied to because they are always shut down. So in this distrust, they turn to conspiracy sites which blame everything on vaccines including autism and downplay that fact that sometimes they really are necessary.

 

It's mRNA for an isolated protein which is pretty well understood and only seems to (maybe) cause problems if it's allowed inside cardiac tissue in huge quantities which will not be possible from two IM shots at the doses given.

I think it's super cool technology, and in some ways, COVID-19 might be accelerating a bunch of other things, because you could use this same idea to make proteins that attack specific cancers, etc. You might eventually see mRNA hearing restoration drugs.

In any case, none of the medical providers I know have any reservations about the vaccines, and I expect to get vaxxed as soon as it's available. I'm 50/50 on already having had COVID-19 in which case this doesn't even expose me to anything new and the side effects seem likely to be reduced.

You're 100% right that none of the COVID-19 messenger RNA vaccines will cause DNA changes. I'm going to be a pedant here and point out that I don't see any reason you couldn't use the same technology to encode for retroviral RNA, which would then have permanent DNA implications. "Roll your own HIV" sort of thing.

This is mostly notable because we can be assured that various nationstate owned bioweapons facilities around the world, and maybe one or two big corps, are probably messing with Nightmare Creatures in their labs.

 

That's what I thought. I know that this will cause an immune response leading to short term side effects, but nothing like what he was describing.

 

B-but conspiracy!

 

Retroviruses are different though because their genome is RNA based. They insert their genome into the host DNA and then use that to transcribe mRNA into functional proteins.

But i suppose *that* could be engineered in your nightmare scenario but it wouldn't be solely mRNA in that case.

 

Hey, @linearb, it's interesting you posted that because it looks like COVID-19 itself can possibly integrate into host DNA (using its genomic RNA, like retroviruses do in your example, not mRNA just to clarify on this). So it seems that anyone worried about DNA integration should be worried about the virus, not the vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome

 

@FGG

What do you think about Szputnyik V?

It's highly likely that in my country that would be available first and maybe only, and the testing process seems to have been rushed.

Also, is it possible to get vaccinated by different kind of vaccines? I don't mean it in a "I want them all at once" kind of way, but if you get the shot, but later a better option becomes available? I apologize if this is a dumb question.

 

Excellent posts, @FGG. You are right that the medical community should be more open and honest regarding vaccines and their potential side-effects. Fact is, without them, humanity and various other species would be in a much worse state right now. Imagine if we hadn’t eradicated smallpox? Or rinderpest in cattle? The world would be a vastly different place, which is why I often scratch my head in wonderment at the growing number of anti-vaxxers. It is largely a movement of people spreading misinformation to other gullible people, and as it spreads, the information grows and adapts to become even more untrue. This is because many of the people who misinform one another don’t understand the science or meaning of what they are being told. There are also people like Joseph Mercola who poison the well so that they can make millions selling their alternative remedies.

Anything that we put into our bodies carry’s a risk. Does that mean we should all become anti-fooders? Because guess what? Food can kill and potentially maim people. Those drugs we regularly pop? They’re not 100% safe either. Nothing is entirely risk-free.

With vaccines, we take the route that protects the most people. If millions can be saved at the expense of a small number experiencing side effects, then there’s no question what action will be taken. If smallpox made a comeback, you’d see the longest line of anti-vaxxers you’ve ever seen, begging for the vaccine.

Would you rather your child have the polio vaccine, or would you rather watch them become potentially paralysed? These are the kind of questions it boils down to. In the past, it was a case of vaccinate yourself or die, and thankfully, because people did, those viruses are no longer a threat to us. Many viruses are now close to being eradicated, and some have been.

 

Exactly the same here

 

Hypothetical question, @PeteJ: if you were around when smallpox was killing everyone, would you have taken the vaccine?

Also, I’m not sure if you have kids, but would you have them vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, and polio?

The paper by Andrew Wakefield is still being cited by the anti-vaxxer community, even though it has been refuted by multiple sources and was retracted many years ago. The main points that are contested can be easily counter-argued by those who work in this field. Unfortunately, people are mainly led by lunatics on social media who have no clue what they are talking about. If these viruses were allowed to resurface, our kids would be in a lot of trouble, as I think many forget how evil some of these diseases were/are. Any notable side-effects from the vaccines would be utterly blown away in proportion to what these viruses would do by comparison. We simply cannot let these diseases make a comeback. I would not like to let my children go to a school that had a lot of unvaccinated children in attendance. At the same time, it should always be a choice whether one vaccinates or not. I would never condone mandatory vaccinations, but I would hope that humanity will finally start to see the good they have done, once more, like the generations before us, instead of constantly criticising them and scaring others into not having them.

The problem is that we are now too far removed from what it was like to live with the threat of all these viruses all the time, and what they would do to people who caught them. What was once a triumph of science is now turning into a social media embarrassment, in my opinion.

I would still like to see more long-term data on the coronavirus vaccinations, however, because they were created in record time. If I was 70 or above, though, I’d just take one now as it’s all based on risk, and at that age, I believe the virus itself would be more of a threat than the vaccine.

 

How come cases keep skyrocketing (supposedly) when we are doing lockdowns, wearing masks, practicing social distancing? How come all of those aren't helping? Why are some sources reporting we will need to wear masks still after the vaccine? What for?

Why is everyone ignoring the false positive problems? How come no one seems to care that the inventor of the PCR test hated Fauci and criticized the test as a diagnostic tool? How come you and other "COVID-19 believers" refuse to address these questions? I am not answering yours until you answer these. You are just deflecting.

There's news in Canada about inflating numbers via incorrect statistics (Alberta). There's so many examples, I can't keep track of them all.

Have you ever seen any charts illustrating the time it takes to develop, test and release vaccinations (to the public)? It takes a long time and you want me to believe that SOMEHOW, these ones with a *new technology* are miraculously ready and safe for humans?

Yeah, go research that, Ed.

 

You have no idea. My mom spent 3 weeks in hospital watching people suffocate to death and nearly died herself. She was really lucky, but she has still ended up with long-term heart and kidney problems. Long Covid is a real thing. I think you need to stop going down the rabbit hole of watching YouTube vids and reading social media posts and equating that to doing “research.” I regularly talk to people/experts who deal with COVID-19 on the frontline, so I get most of my information from them.

The lockdowns are mostly a waste of time if the UK is anything to go by. The numbers have dropped, but nowhere near as much as they could have with these half measures we do. It should either be all or nothing, in my opinion. The problem is that many people can still go to work, all the schools and universities are still open, bars and restaurants in some areas are still open, and people are frequently protesting in large groups (of tens of thousands).

The test isn’t the greatest as it’s really sensitive, but this is largely irrelevant. You can confirm cases based on scans that reveal the tell-tale signs of Covid on people’s lungs, as well as other obvious symptoms. What’s important is that we reduce the number of people who die from it or are left with longterm problems as a result of having it. That’s really all that matters.

Yea, I have more of an idea about this than most as I used to invest in biotech companies. I have a good understanding of drug trials and how long they take.

What I see is the politicisation of a disease and many people being led astray by silly YouTube videos and social media posts that are not based in reality. What do you consider to be “research?” As what I’ve seen from the conspiracy theorists is an incredible amount of naivety and a lack of fact-checking. Most of you seek the information you wish to see and/or believe which is nothing more than you confirming your own biases. A friend of a friend of mine, who is in charge of the local ICU, has informed us that it’s been overrun the last 6 weeks or so. This is real-world information that is based on what’s happening out there. He knows what it’s like to watch these people die. Have you been to a hospital overrun by coronavirus? Have you seen how people suffocate and struggle? This is all verifiable to me and highly trustworthy, so my opinions are ultimately shaped by what I hear and experience. I don’t need to read stuff online to understand various facts about this as I have lived through it.

Do you actually believe that the coronavirus is fake and that the entire world is in cohorts? Really?

Even if this was possible (it wouldn’t be as it’s ridiculous), what would be the point!?

Could the world have done things better? Certainly. The response has highlighted to me how unprepared we are as a society for a deadly viral outbreak. Thankfully, COVID-19 isn’t very deadly and we should be thankful for this fact.

You also conveniently dodged my question.

 

I don't have much of an opinion on that particular vaccine other than it seems well tolerated based on the data provided but I trust Russia to be less transparent than most.

I don't see why you would need to revaccinate later if the vaccine is effective though.

 

You dodged ALL my questions. Your original question wasn't even about COVID-19.

I knew you would be evasive.

COVID-19 has been proven to be a hoax and the collusion isn't just from the MSM, health officials and governments but also social media mods censoring anything questioning the official narrative.

Just a few examples of these parties who censor: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Discord, General forums, and many more.

How is that not some sort of collusion? It might be organized or might not but everyone is on board with the same censorship. "Oh, it's disinformation... gotta remove it."

I asked you SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I PRESENTED SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS and you simply ignored Everything.

More questions, what about the doctors who strongly recommend you avoid the COVID-19 vaccines? What about the 500 doctors in Germany who say it's been overblown and the narrative is false? There's all these doctors in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and Spain, to name some examples of health professionals who are calling out the establishment; look up Doctors For The Truth and Doctors For Information? They contradict your claims. You claim to be an "expert?" What about them? What about their expertise? Why believe some COVID-19 alarmist doctor who is being paid for COVID-19 cases and in fear of losing their job if they don't follow the agenda over them (those doctors are risking Everything).

None of the hospitals near me are overrun.

Hashtag Film Your Hospital debunked this overrun lie. Nothing has changed. Again, the PCR test often has false positives and most people 'dying from COVID-19" are the elderly over 70 y.o. and already have other serious medical issues.

You invested in biotech companies? So would you take the word of a guy who manufactures PCR tests? One in Alberta called COVID-19 a hoax. Look it up.

Look up Roger Hodkinson and what he said.

@Ed209, if COVID-19 isn't very deadly why is it considered a pandemic? How is a 99% survival rate being called a pandemic?

What would be the point of collusion? You really have to ask that? Really?!?

I answered most of your questions and you didn't deserve it. I expect you to continually evade mine. Do you have the courage to answer them, specifically.

 

Thank you. I'm worried a bit, because the data provided seems less than transparent.

No, I didn't mean to revaccinate if the vaccine is effective. I mean, if we are only allowed to have Vaccine A, which seems well, not the top in the international comparison, but than an other one, with different method gets available, should one have the other one as well? I've read that in the UK there are attempts (or will be) to mix different kind of vaccines.

 

My biggest takeaway here is that basically humans are populated and socialized and ignorant to an extent that there is no possible preparation.

If COVID-19 had the same incubation period and RO that it does, but was as lethal as SARS-COV-1, I believe we'd be in the midst of a society ending event which would cause the destabilization of basically every world government, the complete breakdown of all social support structures. In turn this would lead to war, and possibly nuclear devices being set off somewhere.

Further, I don't think it's a matter of if this happens, it's just a matter of when. If we continue to live in ever more packed cities, with ever more global travel happening, and ever more people in squalor living in close proximity to animals -- this will happen, if something else doesn't cull the herds radically first.

Basically, I see a race between climate change, disease, and the general trend towards global authoritarianism which would make endless conventional war* or nuclear war likely. This didn't stop me from having a kid but it did cause me to live in a place that looks pretty solid even with radical climate change over the next 100 years, and stuff like "how to build a fire", "how to build a bear trap", "how to field strip a weapon and clear a jam in the middle of a rainstorm" will be part of their education along with "how to spell" and "how to read Faust so that you're better prepared to read Spengler's Decline of the West by 10th grade

* in fact, the US has been in a state of "endless conventional war" since at least 9/12/2001.

 

Ah ok. I understand your question better.

In general, getting different kinds of vaccines are not a problem. In animals, we can vaccinate with a killed vaccine one year and a modified live the next.

In a way, this "experiment" has been done millions of times with other mammals. A stray gets found, new family vaccinates without knowing the vaccine history (as well as all pets in shelters) and isn't a problem.

The COVID-19 vaccine and its unique methodology would have to be an exception.

 

Pete, you are too far gone to have any kind of meaningful debate with. No matter what I say you will argue against it as your mind is already made up. You want to believe that there is a cabal that is secretly plotting against mankind on a global scale, probably whilst their leader strokes a cat of some kind.

A pandemic has nothing to do with survival rates; it is simply an epidemic on a global scale which is what this is. The fact you believe that the entire world is in on this together is so laughable that I don’t even know where to begin.

You presented nothing.

I shouldn’t even get involved in these discussions because I instantly regret it. I feel myself losing IQ points by the second, and I honestly feel like I could attain more knowledge if I took a shit and spoke to that.

No hard feelings of course, but continuing this discussion is an utter waste of time.

 

Geez, linearb. For a second there I thought I was reading an extract from a new terminator novel .

 

To be honest I do not trust the COVID-19 vaccine.

I think pharma companies have rushed too much and governments have tried to accelerate the process of creating a vaccine, and its efficacy has not been sufficiently demonstrated, let alone the vaccine providing a significant period of inmunity against COVID-19.

 

Nah, it's just that I have a relative that spent their life chasing weird diseases around the globe and they've been telling me this kind of thing is a "when, not if" situation my whole life. Their take on COVID-19 is that it's an order of magnitude or two away from being society-ending, which means that the society-ending one is still coming, when, not if.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. (Don't smoke, there's a pandemic lung disease afoot).

 

Pfizer’s CEO hasn’t gotten his Covid vaccine yet, saying he doesn’t want to cut in line

This corpspeak makes even me skeptical.

 

But, da vaccine! Why would you be skeptical? Aren't skeptics the ones you laugh at?

 

My mom and dad are both getting the Pfizer vaccine next week. I’m glad because they are both high-risk.

 

The Ontario Medical Community admitted that all the vaccines are experimental and they have no clue what the outcome will be. If you take it, you're just a guinea pig.

WARMINGTON: Top Ontario doctors' hot-mic moment spreads fast



This video and discussion of it is going viral.



Think about it for a while. Try to use common sense. Some people here react by reporting me, saying I am "out to lunch", insulting my intelligence, whine about "dumb conservative conspiracy theorists" or whatever they make up.

But, it's real. MSM and many online resources, YouTube especially, censor and delete people labeling the reason as "disinformation." It's a good excuse to censor people.

In Alberta, Canada, near Edmonton, peace officers are searching neighborhoods and checking vehicle registrations at homes. "No visitors allowed." Many people online are describing these acts as evidence of a police state. "Conspiracy theories?'

Yeah, sure.

 

If you research and have an open mind, you should ultimately conclude that the vaccines are likely harmful and Michael Leigh's speculation regarding a conspiracy theory is pretty accurate.

People have been conditioned and trained to think ALL conspiracy theories are wrong, made-up and could never happen. Governments would never betray or harm people.

Many people have closed minds and refuse to believe they might have been wrong. Instead, they whole heartedly trust their politicians, social institutions including healthcare even if they are contradicted. Anything else is part of a "conspiracy theory."

Vaccines take 5 to 8 years to develop before they are ready for distribution or even longer than that? The sheep won't listen. They refuse facts and information that contradicts and puts doubt on what they are led to believe. They can't accept the idea of being wrong.

 

It's against their civil rights to give them such an ultimatum.

 

Influenza rate numbers have been replaced by COVID-19.

This is the case everywhere.

But, no conspiracy, right? Of course not. That would be silly.

 

Voted: Yes, planning to, but I will wait a while to see if there are any potential long-term side effects

Thank you for making this quality post. Some scientific facts is what we need.

 

I got the COVID-19 vaccine 4 days ago. Afterwards, I was only sore in the arm for a day, no effect on tinnitus. Just sharing my experience.