How Can You Habituate to HIGH FREQUENCY Tinnitus?

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    1. Poseidon65

      Poseidon65 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      This is intended to be a variation on the How Can You Habituate To LOUD Tinnitus? thread.

      In my case, one of my tinnitus tones is very high frequency. I don't think this tone is especially loud, as it can be fully masked by a barely-running faucet. However, the sound is *not* masked when driving a car at highway speeds. It is also not masked when shopping at a busy supermarket (which I measured at 60 dBA today). Basically, if the background sound isn't high frequency, then this tone just stands right out. And in truth, very little background sound is high frequency, which you'd see if you open a spectrum analyzer app in your typical habitat.

      Has anyone had success getting used to this kind of tone? If so, any tips? It's been 14 months for me since onset, and this is the tone I've habituated to the least.
       
    2. Lilah
      Blah

      Lilah Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      For me, low running water does not mask my tinnitus as my tinnitus is very high frequency, and the running water sound is a much lower frequency. Hardly any day to day sounds mask my tinnitus, only certain high frequency sounds that I play on my laptop (cricket sound, violet noise, etc.). Even though my tinnitus is loud, I don't pay attention to when I'm involved in a certain activities like shopping, watching a show, talking with people, playing with the cat, etc. The tinnitus is still bothersome when I'm in a quiet environment (primarily sleep and at my quiet work space). I'm planning to get maskers for work.

      Have your new maskers/hearing aids helped with the high frequency sound?
       
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    3. Marcuso22

      Marcuso22 Member

      Location:
      Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud prolonged exposure to alarm system
      I also have very high frequency tonal tinnitus which fluctuates in pitch. I've been using BTE sound generators for 2 months now & it masks the non tonal blowing sounds but not the very high frequency tones. That's how the treatment is suppose to work but I definitely have not become accustomed to the high frequency tones which sounds like either a jet turbine or high pitched saw at high speed.
       
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    4. Matchbox

      Matchbox Member

      Location:
      BC Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      August 2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Induced, Prednisone (drones), Barotrauma (distortions)
      If you can mask it at all, count yourself lucky? I have had ultra high sharp tinnitus, nailbiting high frequency tinnitus, mid tone tinnitus, loud pulsatile high pitched tinnitus, and low droning & rumbling tinnitus. The super sharp high tinnitus 18 kHz I could use earplugs and it would fade into the background, it's what I started my mess with... and I thought that was bad... hahahaha.

      Trust me, the low rumbling and droning is 5 x worse than maskable high frequency tinnitus (even if you need earplugs), having to have pink or violet noise or running water on yet not hearing it is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. Any tinnitus is bad, but I'd suffer with that at industrial fan volume compared to what I have now.

      Plus high frequency tinnitus imo had the largest response to benzos, pretty much vaporized it to dust. Low droning wavering tinnitus has very little if any effect.

      You hear it more in low frequency environments, like supermarkets and road noise, because of the contrast (that noise is centered on 500 Hz, not 16+ kHz!) and an effect which I can't recall, but when masking with noise outside your tinnitus range the effect will cause an amplification of the thresholds in those frequencies (even in normal people but moreso in tinnitus sufferers, there's even some tests which can use it to determine discrimination hearing loss).

      The tinnitus isn't actually above 60 dB, it's the environment you're in.

      Hangout around some PC RAM or something with electrical whine (or set your phone to emit a 15 kHz tone) even barely audible and you'll suddenly hear the tinnitus vanish as its noise range pretty much hits it right on. Faucets also are high-er frequency noise around 6 kHz, which is why it masks and produces distortion in some tinnitus / hyperacusis sufferers.
       
    5. AliasM
      Depressed

      AliasM Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      Dec 2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ? Autoimmune, daily headaches, Ibuprofin, BP meds, Virus?
      I have this right now. My tone seems to cycle every few days, and about every second or third day I get an ultra high frequency glass shattering sound with an ultra high pitch solid ring on top. Loudness is 5/10 but intrusiveness is 10/10+. The days I have this (like right now) I am in a very dark place. The pitch is so high I get headache and dizzy (I don't get dizzy on my other tinnitus days, just these ultra high pitch days).

      No idea how to habituate. The sound is so far outside the spectrum of our normal hearing it isn't funny.
       
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      Poseidon65

      Poseidon65 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      It may depend on the exact faucet :) For my faucet, if I measure the sound with a spectrum analyzer, there is substantial volume all the way up to 20 kHz, which is essentially the highest audible frequency for any human. I don't think it's possible for T to be even higher than this (though I could be wrong about that).

      I would say the wearable maskers have been extremely helpful at masking my mid-frequency tones, and less helpful (but still somewhat helpful) for the highest frequency tone. In my experience, there are two reasons why it's less helpful for high frequency tones:

      1. In order to mask a very high frequency tone, the masking sound also has to be very high frequency - and frankly a very high frequency masking sound is annoying to hear all day. Basically there is a balance between "a sound that masks your T well" and "a sound that doesn't annoy you to hear all day." I'm still trying to find the right balance.

      2. There are limits to how high frequency the maskers can play without encountering distortion, which is extremely irritating. The maskers have tiny speakers which, in this regard, are not as good as the speaker on your smart phone for example.
       
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      Poseidon65

      Poseidon65 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      Does anyone know the scientific name for this phenomenon?
       
    8. Matchbox

      Matchbox Member

      Location:
      BC Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      August 2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Induced, Prednisone (drones), Barotrauma (distortions)
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    9. linearb
      Psychedelic

      linearb Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      beliefs are makyo and reality ignores them
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      karma
      Habituating to piercing high frequency tinnitus? Time, patience, luck and (if you're me) a slightly alarming medication stack

      If you read hard enough you'll find people who are much more bothered by their low frequency tinnitus because it's "so bassy", or people who are more bothered by mid-frequencies because "it cuts right through everything including speech".

      High frequency seems to be the most annoying (and I say this with a constant 14.5 kHz klaxon in my head, which is just one part of the silly cacophony of noises I hear if I stop to think about it) -- but this doesn't matter, because your tinnitus is the only one you have, and therefore the only one you have to deal with, and whether it is "easier" or "harder" to deal with than some other person's is about as important as the question of "does my neighbor's car go faster than mine?" when I'm about to take my own car out on a shopping trip.
       
    10. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      I don't think it really is possible to habituate completely with it.

      The shower provides brief relief and the summer months offer the air conditioner which is kind of barely enough. Outdoors when crickets are around is soothing. The fridge in the kitchen kind of helps but my desktop PC is no longer noisy enough because it's on SSDs. Failing these I'd have to resort to dedicated noise generators which I've really avoided like the plague. The only way I am able to kind of cope is to think of what I'm experiencing is living through the world as if I'm listening to an old cassette without Dolby noise reduction. I used to be quite accustomed to the sound of tape hiss in a way that didn't really detract much from listening to music. If I were younger then I would not have had this formative experience and would not be able to play this mental game with myself. Even then I spend most of my time feeding my ears with SOMETHING even it doesn't mask just to divert my mental attention, usually podcast/talk-radio style content. It helps lull me to sleep at night and often causes hallucinatory dreams because of the half-wake state I'm usually in despite taking Sleep3 pills. Funny how the Sleep3 seems to be the most powerful stuff based on the box description outside of Ambien but even that doesn't seem to have much effect on me.) Luckily when I really DO enter full-on REM sleep, I really do mentally cut the cord with the tinnitus, but it's damn hard to actually get there.
       
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    11. Forever hopeful
      Depressed

      Forever hopeful Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2015 resolved, 4/20 L ear, increase 2/21
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      2015,noise,2020-21 SNHL
      Hi,

      So I have super high-pitched tinnitus that’s a hiss mostly unless I plug my ears. Then it sounds a little different, which I cannot really describe. It’s sort of sounds like that noise you get when you have a hearing threshold shift after you leave a rock concert, but without the deafness. You know before we knew to wear earplugs. It comes and goes.

      Benzos do nothing for it.

      It started last May and then it actually went away during the fall/winter months and then came back last week so I’m wondering if it’s seasonal and allergy related. It fluctuates from hour to hour, day by day, minute to minute and is sometimes quiet. Sometimes it is so loud that it’s hard to hear the TV. And though I can get it in both ears, I experience it mostly in my right ear. That is ear that is most affected where I have no hearing loss. My hearing is perfect in that ear. I hear this tinnitus over everything except for the shower.

      Does that describe your high pitched tinnitus?

      And can I just ask you how your earplugs helped? I would’ve thought that it would’ve gotten worse when you had your earplugs in.

      Thanks.
       
    12. Jrblovsky

      Jrblovsky Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      Christmas 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      NOISE/Menieres Who knows
      You can't.
       
    13. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Poseidon65

      Poseidon65 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      Today I went to the mall with my wife, and the high frequency tinnitus stood out prominently among all other sounds. It was clearly audible even in background mall noise of 65 dBA.

      It's amazing that a sound which probably constitutes 2% of everything I hear, can remove 75% of the enjoyment from leisurely activities.
       
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      AUTHOR
      Poseidon65

      Poseidon65 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      1/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      FWIW, I am going to try using sound enrichment from bone conducting headphones, as an alternative to using my hearing aids.

      The reason being that my hearing aids struggle to play above 9000 Hz or so, but bone conducting headphones can play all the way up to 20000 Hz. I’m hoping this extended range will do something for me.
       
    15. Zaimon

      Zaimon Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sudden Hearing Loss
      I have exactly the same. Every 4-5 days I get a high pitched circular saw spinning at ~14 kHz inside my head. I can mask it with pink noise (the Android app is called "Relief" from ReSound and is free). Funny thing is, when I mask it for 4-5 hours and remove the headphones, it is COMPLETELY GONE for like 1 hour. But then it ALWAYS comes back with FULL FORCE, hitting harder than a truck.

      I am absolutely sure that you cannot habituate to that sound. I have had it for 13 months now, yeah I know it's not that long but it's also quite some time. Everytime I get one of "those" days, I tell myself "okay you can do this, it's just a sound, just don't listen to it" but I fail everytime. I can "ignore" it for like 2 hours but it is so goddamn intrusive, it's basically a saw cutting through your brain and after 2 hours, it's cracked through the hull.

      Those days are very dark and I usually can only endure it with masking.

      I can recommend the Samsung Galaxy Buds +, they have a very good battery lifetime of 10-12 hours, which is quite long.
       
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    16. Chinmoku

      Chinmoku Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Started with a cold, possibly worsened by medication/noise
      My tinnitus is loud and incredibly high pitched. It's also in a band, not a single tone. It has a horrid electric quality. It can only be partly masked by some very special cricket sounds on headphones or loud white noise but this tends to irritate it and does not reach the highest frequencies.

      Would bone conduction headphones be an improvement on normal headphones? Would they irritate less the ear and the auditory apparatus? I think normal headphones reach high frequencies too?
       
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