New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing

Discussion in 'Research News' started by Hudson, Jun 20, 2013.

    1. Mandyyyyyyy

      Mandyyyyyyy Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise-induced
      Same. I feel like I’ve tried everything. I don’t know how to feel if Dr. Shore’s device doesn’t end up helping whenever it gets released. Crossing my fingers it will be a success.
       
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    2. Tomas80

      Tomas80 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknow. Maybe stress?
      We can certainly deduce that the matter is already being handled by the FDA. Hopefully things won't get stuck, and we can book consultations and get the device soon. I don't care which ear doctor offers the device first, I will fly to the end of the world.
       
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    3. BadNeighbors
      Curious

      BadNeighbors Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud noise/construction
      I wonder how long it will take from journal publication and FDA approval to market availability? How long does it take for Auricle to figure out to how to mass produce this device with little error? And, how long will it take Dr. Shore/her team to develop a program to train people to use the machine on us?

      Also, which doctors will have priority? Will this be something that doctors in Beverly Hills get first? Will the VA doctors get priority? Will it simply be given to those ear doctors who request first? Or, will it be a lotto based system?

      However, this is all based on the assumption that the device will benefit some of us. I think it is important to remember that the device might not work and it may not work for all of us. I'm hopeful, but I also don't want to pin all my hopes on this particular device. I am trying to remember that the device might not work and it might not work on me, despite being hopeful and having a bit of trust in Dr. Shore as she seems to be a legitimate scientist doing what scientists do best (slow and rigorous research).
       
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    4. Jonno02
      Frustrated

      Jonno02 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012. Worsened 2022.
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
      My thoughts too. As soon as the (hopefully) positive feedback starts to appear on here, I'm getting on a plane.

      In case anybody needs some perking up, here's some hopeful-Haiku's about the peace we may be experiencing soon.
      We can live in hope, eh?
       
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    5. Stayinghopeful
      Procrastinating

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      Location:
      NSW, Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worsened with COVID-19 / Anesthesia
      I’ve left a space on the back of my leg for a tattoo portrait of Susan should the device be a success.

      Still deciding if I want colour or go grey?
       
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    6. JimmyStrong
      Tolerant

      JimmyStrong Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced/Hearing loss related
      I really wish I was a guy with normal hearing and just tinnitus, because Dr. Shore's device looks promising, and this is the only thing we're going to have in the next 80+ years probably. Hopefully I will be able to accept the stigma against hearing aids and not feel insecure about them. I know we all have different life struggles, and this is my life struggle, but it hurts knowing that it could have been so easily prevented if I had just been more cautious.

      Hopefully I will be able to experience silence from Dr. Shore's device and benefit from hearing aids.
       
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    7. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      "Just" ;-/
       
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    8. Joey72
      Approved

      Joey72 Member

      Location:
      Seattle
      Tinnitus Since:
      4/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      TMJ, neck arthritis, combat.
      The VA doctors I've spoken to don't even know who Dr. Shore is. They just seem like they're way behind in research and development.
       
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    9. Gb3

      Gb3 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sshl
      I’m 40 and I wear a hearing aid. No one says anything, and who cares if they do. A lot of people wear ear wearables anyways.
       
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    10. GregCA
      Jaded

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      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      Same here. I was about the same age when I started wearing a hearing aid. It turns out that nobody notices it, actually (it's a "Behind The Ear" kind, so pretty inconspicuous). In close to 10 years, nobody has ever mentioned anything.
       
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    11. Stayinghopeful
      Procrastinating

      Stayinghopeful Member Benefactor

      Location:
      NSW, Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worsened with COVID-19 / Anesthesia
      It’s 2023, the only stigma about hearing aids is the one you make up in your head. Literally no one cares if someone has hearing aids, just like no one cares if someone wears glasses.
       
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    12. awake 44
      Angelic

      awake 44 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Years of playing in heavy metal band.
      I left some space on my forehead for this.
      I've spoken with a shit ton of Doctors and Professors of Audiology. If they are not researchers themselves, they do not care about any research at all. They start to pay attention to a treatment only after it is registered as an official procedure. I'm used to being very verbally aggressive toward them. It is funny to see their "small child" mode, when they are realizing they are worthless ignorants. When I present Dr. Shore's facts and publications, they cannot find any words for defence.
       
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    13. ColinUK

      ColinUK Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2013 initial, worsened 2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Initial Music Gig, Worsened Cinema or possible covid
      To be fair, when I saw ENTs and audiologists, they said there was no treatment. I refused that and for years have spent countless hours trying to find solutions, but in the end, and as far as I can see, that statement is correct.

      All the potential treatments we have got previously excited about have failed and so far Dr. Shore's device is just that - a potential treatment.

      If it comes out and works, then I am sure ENTs and audiologists will change their advice, but I suppose expecting them to keep abreast of all the potential treatments is not realistic and also probably not healthy in giving false hope to patients.

      I am sure they would love to be able to actually help us and have something to give us but, as of yet, that thing doesn't exist.

      I hope Dr. Shore's device is a miracle but hope doesn't make it so.
       
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    14. Jonno02
      Frustrated

      Jonno02 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012. Worsened 2022.
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
      I do think it’s easy to confuse doctors for researchers.

      I deal with surgeons a lot, some at the top of their game. They are most certainly not up to date with cutting edge or in-the-approval stage devices and technology. Specialists like ENTs only become aware of new treatments when their governing body, for example the NHS, send them on a course or they receive a bulletin for this ‘new treatment we can now offer.’

      It’s apples and oranges. I don’t expect the surgeons I talk to to be able to develop new medical devices, just as they don’t expect me to be able to implant them.
       
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    15. tiniturk
      No Mood

      tiniturk Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      I mean, I (kind of) don’t blame ENT doctors who do not have any knowledge about Dr. Shore’s device. Most of them don’t have tinnitus themselves, why would they know? Yes, it’s a POSSIBLE breakthrough in their field but a lot of treatments were treated as such and resulted in nothing. If the device proves to be working and it gets on the market, I’m sure they’ll be the first to jump on top of it and spread it out to patients. Maybe I’m wrong, tho. :)
       
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    16. ErikaS

      ErikaS Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Pennsylvania, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection/Ultra High Frequency SSHL in Right Ear
      I think our anger towards these professionals truly comes from many of their reactions. At least that's what it was for me. I will never forget ENT #1, "I expect that hiss to go away in the next few weeks", ENT #2, "Your tinnitus should be gone in 3 months", and my favorite, a "top" Otologist in my area, "Nothing we can do, but here is some Zoloft, try to get yourself some therapy and see me in 3 months. I presume you'll be 30% better by then and 80% better in a year." They all said this based off of my "normal" audiogram up to 8 kHz. Little did they know or care to entertain my request to send me somewhere to check higher frequencies which is where the sudden hearing loss was. I know they cannot offer me a great treatment or cure, but it's the lack of empathy and/or going a step further in something that they can control or entertaining a point outside of their normal, routine boxes that could help the patient gain more insight and/or closure. Especially when your entire world just stopped and life as you know it is put on hold until further notice, and if you were like me, you worsened in the first 3-4 months as you kept being told, "Oh it will get better".

      ENT #2 did agree to do shots in the right ear 4 months out to appease me, which I appreciated. But when I brought up "Susan Shore", he had no idea who she was. And that's okay, I guess, just goes to show that he or a loved one of his never had tinnitus or tinnitus bad enough to know her name. Jealous!
       
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    17. Philip83
      Jaded

      Philip83 Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      2001
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Moped (2001) Noise blast (2014) Club (2017) Snowboard (2018)
      @linearb, you might have talked about it before, but looking through your posts I couldn’t find it; Do you have the cicada-hiss-style tinnitus sound and did this also improve during the trial? I’m curious how you would dial in the ”tone” for that, as it’s not really a tone.

      I have pretty much no hearing/all tinnitus above 12 kHz.
       
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    18. Watasha
      No Mood

      Watasha Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I 100% agree with you what's to know for an ENT. There are hundreds of different conditions/symptoms for them to consider, why would they be spending their time studying unproven research for possible future treatments for one of the many conditions that they diagnose. I trust that when a viable treatment is available, if it's a good product (or even if it's not), sales people will be pushing these down ENTs' throats to get to market.
       
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    19. Tomas80

      Tomas80 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknow. Maybe stress?
      Hopefully, while the FDA is reviewing the matter, Auricle will reach out to at least a few ENTs, so that for the most desperate people, the treatment is available as soon as possible. Every day is extremely difficult.
       
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    20. DimLeb

      DimLeb Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Idiopathic Cochleopathy or Maybe Loud Music
      I don't think that will be the case... Seeing how long every step of the process has taken already, things will move even slower to spread the device around the world. If Auricle's priority was to get the treatment to desperate people as soon as possible, then they would go for different markets like Europe, where things aren't so strict about medical devices.
       
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    21. Jonno02
      Frustrated

      Jonno02 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012. Worsened 2022.
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
      Please don’t spread mis-information. Europe’s MDR are even more strict than the FDA. The FDA is just very political and prioritise American devices over RoW devices.
       
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    22. Tomas80

      Tomas80 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknow. Maybe stress?
      They have to start somewhere. They probably won't wait until 1,000 ENTs are ready to start all at once. Lenire also started first in its head office and gradually added doctors. It will be very similar with Auricle. They will start somewhere and gradually increase. Otherwise it would have no logic.
       
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    23. blamingeverything

      blamingeverything Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      high frequency hearing loss
      Is the device necessarily not a direct-to-consumer thing? Sorry if this is covered previously.
       
    24. DebInAustralia
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      Geelong, Victoria
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      12/2013
      It'll be rolled out via audiologists.
       
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    25. DimLeb

      DimLeb Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Idiopathic Cochleopathy or Maybe Loud Music
      I'm not really sure about the strictness of Europe's MDR, but they haven't even started the process of getting the device to Europe (as far as we know) and the 2nd trial ended years ago (2019?). If they wanted to get the device out fast, they would apply anywhere they could - meaning Europe, Asia, South Africa or whatever.

      In Europe, there are already similar minimally invasive devices, like Lenire and Cleanhearing Sono, so I don't think it would be so hard to get it to the market. The device is literally a headphone that makes sound and small electrodes. The science behind it is huge (if it works), but in reality it's a really simple device.

      It's starting to feel like a joke how long this device has taken to come out, given how largely unmet the need for it is.
       
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    26. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @blamingeverything, I think Dr. Shore was asked this and she said it would probably be distributed through audiologists and medical professionals first.
       
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    27. Jonno02
      Frustrated

      Jonno02 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012. Worsened 2022.
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
      I don’t think they have the resources to do multiple submissions at once though. Wish they did, but that’s probably the limiting factor.
       
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    28. AnthonyMcDonald
      Confused

      AnthonyMcDonald Member

      Location:
      Russia
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      I'm sure they will be able to send them by mail and set up with telehealth. If not, I'm ready to bring them to Europe, I'm sure it's legal to do so.
       
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    29. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      I'm not sure, but maybe he meant financial resources i.e. for approval and accreditation for different governing bodies around the world?

      Seems like it has been a long time since the Palm Springs Hearing Seminar. Where is the publication?
       
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    30. gameover

      gameover Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2023
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise+sinus
      There is another company called Auricle - https://auricle.com/ - working on some implant. At least they have a webpage.

      Dr. Shore's Auricle - https://auricleinc.com/ - can't even put up anything under that address. It really feels like some fringe, underfunded, over-researched, underdeveloped, hack.
       
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